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Mary Pritchard

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Hi, Can anybody help with finding the death of Mary Pritchard. She was born circa 1838 in Monmouthshire and appears in the census for 1871, married to James Pritchard with 4 daughters, and in the 1881 census as a widow with 2 more daughters in Llangattock (some of her elder daughters are close by as servants). However, I can't see her in the 1891 census, and can't find a death either! Any help would be appreciated. Gilllisa
 

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Hi Gilllisea,

Having looked at the partial death index there was one born abt 1836 died 1912 district Newport, but if this isnt her have you considered that she may have remarried.
 

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Hi Gilllisea,

Having looked at the partial death index there was one born abt 1836 died 1912 district Newport, but if this isnt her have you considered that she may have remarried.
:biggrin: Hi Julie, Thank you again, if you haven't found the right death??? (I don't know how to check this because a census would be to recent), then how would I go about finding a remarriage? Sorry to just keep asking questions, but I really don't know how to go about these things. Many thanks for your help. Gill
 

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Hi Gilllisa,

Looking through the marriages, came across this one.

Marriage

Year 1885

District Newport M
Oct/Nov/Dec 1/4
Vol 11a
Page 231

Grooms listed

Joseph Beale
William Hendry

Looking on the 1891 census found this couple

Civil parish Llangattock
Rd Newport
Sub RD Caerlon

Joseph Beale head age 45 born Buckland Somerset
Mary Beale age 53 born Llanbaddock
Edith Beale dau age 12 born Caerlon
Edith M Horton g/dau age 6 born Caerlon

This looks as it could be her as there is a marriage in 1884 district Newport M for a Emily Pritchard and one of the grooms listed is a married Tom Henry Horton.

1891

Civil parish Roath
RD Cardiff
Sub RD Cardiff
County Glamorganshire

Tom H Horton head age 30 born Caerlon
Emily wife age 26 born Risca Monmouthshire
Edith M dau age 6 born Caerlon
Celia E dau age 4 born Llandough
Henry J son age 1 born Cardiff
John Smith boarder born Devon

How young Edith managed to get from Monmouthsire to Glamorgan as she appears twice on the census, though havnt looked for her parents in 1891.

What do you think Galllisa?
 
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Hi Gilllisa,

Looking through the marriages, came across this one.

Marriage

Year 1885

District Newport M
Oct/Nov/Dec 1/4
Vol 11a
Page 231

Grooms listed

Joseph Beale
William Hendry

Looking on the 1891 census found this couple

Civil parish Llangattock
Rd Newport
Sub RD Caerlon

Joseph Beale head age 45 born Buckland Somerset
Mary Beale age 53 born Llanbaddock
Edith Beale dau age 12 born Caerlon
Edith M Horton g/dau age 6 born Caerlon

This looks as it could be her as there is a marriage in 1884 district Newport M for a Emily Pritchard and one of the grooms listed is a married Tom Henry Horton.

1891

Civil parish Roath
RD Cardiff
Sub RD Cardiff
County Glamorganshire

Tom H Horton head age 30 born Caerlon
Emily wife age 26 born Risca Monmouthshire
Edith M dau age 6 born Caerlon
Celia E dau age 4 born Llandough
Henry J son age 1 born Cardiff
John Smith boarder born Devon

How young Edith managed to get from Monmouthsire to Glamorgan as she appears twice on the census, though havnt looked for her parents in 1891.

What do you think Galllisa?
Hi Juliejtp, Many thanks for this mine of information. I will try and follow it all through, but on reading it all, it seems to me that you have struck gold!! The age for Mary is right, and I know she had six daughters with James Pritchard, one of whom was named Emily - age 8 in 1871. She also had a daughter named Celia (so Emily may have named her daughter after her sister). The other tie in is that Emily's dau Celia was born in Llandough, and Mary's eldest dau (Mary) also moved to Llandough. Just for the record Mary sen.'s six daughters with James Pritchard were Mary, Emily, Elizabeth, Celia, Leavinia and Alice.

Thank you so much for your help with this (I wish John Hill was so easy!!!!!!!!) - having said that I would never have found this info on my own. Gilllisa:)
 

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Hi Gilllisa,

Just looking on the 1881 census Wales found Joseph Beal with family including Edith, mothers name Sarah Ann, so if it is the right family that would account for Edith Beale being 12 in 1891 and Joseph and Mary marrying in 1885. Will now look for a death for Saran Ann Beal(e).
 

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Hi Gillisa

I found a possible marriage of James Pritchard in Newport Reg district in the Dec Quarter of 1860. Ref 11a 319. On the same page is a Mary Davies.

The 1871 census says that John and Mary's residence of LLangattock was in Newport district.

A possible marriage for James and a possible maiden name for Mary.

Ben
 

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Hi Gillisa

I found a possible marriage of James Pritchard in Newport Reg district in the Dec Quarter of 1860. Ref 11a 319. On the same page is a Mary Davies.

The 1871 census says that John and Mary's residence of LLangattock was in Newport district.

A possible marriage for James and a possible maiden name for Mary.

Ben
Hi Julie & Ben, Many thanks for the additional information you have unearthed for me. I'll order the birth certificate of one of Mary & James' children and see if she was a Rogers or a Davies! The Beale side was very interesting - I had assumed that Edikth was Joseph & mary Beale's dau, but obviously not. I can't tell you how grateful I am for the info you've been providing.

Incidentally, returning to John Hill (Mary Pritchard jnr.'s husband). There was a squiggle where his father's name should have appeared on their marriage cert. Any ideas on how to proceed with him? I assume his father was either dead or unknown, or that he was orphaned. Would there be any way round this?

In the meantime, soooooooo many thanks for your efforts - they are much appreciated. Gilllisa
 

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Hi Gillisa

I think the Hill story is something that I have helped another member with on this site. The John Hill who was born in Wales?

Ben
 

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Hi Gillisa

I think the Hill story is something that I have helped another member with on this site. The John Hill who was born in Wales?

Ben
Hi Ben, Yes you've probably helped Skip (his grandfather and mine turned out to be brothers and we are in touch). Trouble is John Hill is still defeating us (which is why I switched to his wife Mary Ann Pritchard). Unless something has come up with you and Skip reasonably recently - we're still stuck and can't find him before the 1891 census (mistranscribed as Hile, but with the right family). Were there any records on orphans etc., and where would I find them?
Thanks a lot Ben for your help. cheers Gilllisa
 

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Hi Gillisa

Have you sent off for one of the Pritchard birth certs to see what the mothers maiden name was? This will help you a lot.

Ben
 

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Hi Ben, Am doing this today. Thanks for the suggestion. cheers Gilllisa
Hi Ben & ulie, Have got birth cert for Celia (one of Mary's daughters) and her maiden name was Davies - so we have her parents William & Susanna Davies. Hooray!! Back another generation and many thanks for your help and suggestions Gilllisa:)
 
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