Matthew & Elizabeth BROWN

[DaveHam9]

Birth 34896/1894 BROWN FLORENCE R - MATTHEW - ELIZABETH - WALLSEND

Marriage 17312/1923 LANGE ALBERT C - BROWN FLORENCE A - NARRANDERA * 29 Oct 1923

I think 'A' is an error - Florence Rebecca. I don't have a death for Florence after 1980.


Looking for info on Matthew and Elizabeth.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[rupert]

The Sydney Morning Herald (Sydney, New South Wales, Australia) Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992.
LEGAL NOTICE
Florence Rebecca Lange late of Cootamundra Nursing Home, Mackay Street, Cootamundra,
deceased will be made by Albert John Lange. In the Will referred to as John Lange.


Rupert

 

[rupert]

One tree has these details

Florence Rebecca Brown

BIRTH 24/10/1904 15 Cranbrook Street Bethnal Green England
DEATH JULY 1992 Cootamundra, New South Wales, Australia

Parents are Tyson Orchard Brown & Susan Lodge


Rupert

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Rupert.

That's a great help. Wrong birth in post #1.


Marriages Jun Qtr 1904
Brown Tyson Orchard Bethnal G. 1c 319
Lodge Susan Bethnal G. 1c 319

Births Dec Qtr 1904
BROWN Florence Rebecca Bethnal G. 1c 206 mmn LODGE

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

So far can't find the family in 1911 census.

 

[Bootzy]

Marriage Banns – St James the Less , Bethnal Green 24 April 1904
Tyson Orchard Brown – bachelor age 20 a carman of 13 Cranbrook st, father David Brown dec a Farrier
Susan Lodge – spinster age 18 of 15 Cranbrook st – father Robert Lodge a carman
Witnesses – Percy Edwin Wade and Rebecca Whittaker

Name: Tyson Orchard Brown
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1884
Marriage Date: 24 Apr 1904
Marriage Place: St James the Less, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: David Brown & Mother Sarah Skilton (married 12 Sept 1869 St John Hoxton Hackney.
Spouse: Susan Lodge
Register Type: Parish Register

On Florence Rebecca Brown’s Baptism – 6/11/1904 has father Tyson as a soldier

I think this is a possible for him…
Name: Tyson Arthur Brown
Birth Place: Bethnal Green
Residence: Hoxton
Death Date: 16 Aug 1917
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Shoreditch
Rank: Private
Regiment: London Regiment
Battalion: 4th (City of London) Battalion (Royal Fusiliers)
Regimental Number: 282986
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

2nd marriage for wife Susan nee Lodge ?
Name: Susan Brown
Spouse Name: Albert C Thomas
Marriage Date: 1921
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Balmain North, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1921
Registration Number: 15268

Her death.. – parents fit..
Name: Susannah Thomas
Birth Year: abt 1886
Age: 50
Death Place: Fitzroy, Victoria
Father's name: Robt Lodge
Mother's name: Jane Dulien
Registration Year: 1936
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 5725

Name: Susan Lodge
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Jun 1886
Baptism Place: Bethnal Green St James the Great, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Robert Lodge
Mother: Jane Lodge

 

[gibbo]

I think this is a possible for him…
Name: Tyson Arthur Brown
Birth Place: Bethnal Green
Residence: Hoxton
Death Date: 16 Aug 1917
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Shoreditch
Rank: Private
Regiment: London Regiment
Battalion: 4th (City of London) Battalion (Royal Fusiliers)
Regimental Number: 282986
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

Wrong fella i think Val.

Private
BROWN, TYSON ARTHUR
Service Number 282986

Died 16/08/1917

Aged 40

1st/4th Bn.
London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers)

Son of Mrs. Catherine Brown, of 22, Drysdale St., Kingsland Rd., London.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/929593/brown,-tyson-arthur/

 

[Bootzy]

thanks Gibbo..

back to drawing board on Tyson..

 

[rupert]

http://www.nzepc.auckland.ac.nz/features/home&away/plumb.asp

My New Zealand grandfather was an Englishman who had lied about himself, claiming he was called Thomas Hurley.
On his deathbed he admitted he was really Tyson Orchard Brown who had come to New Zealand and adopted an alias.
My Aunt Doreen believed he had done ‘something dreadful’ in the United Kingdom, but he never revealed why he had changed his name.

Rupert

 

[DaveHam9]

Births Sep 1885 BROWN Tisant Orchard Shoreditch 1c 54 mmn SKILTON

Births Jun 1886 LODGE Susan Bethnal Green 1c 226 mmn DULIEN

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm stuck. Not enough names in that blog to find the right marriages. Can't see Tyson's death.

Several marriages in NZ for a Thomas Hurley with various middle names.

If Tyson was a soldier in 1904 ... ?

 

[gibbo]

Taken from the blog. Took some doing but got this lot together.

"She was the middle child in a family of three, with a younger sister, Doreen, and an elder brother named Lawrence who died when he was twelve years of age."

1908/19013 Moess Lawrence - Isabel Catherine NR

1911/3476 Hurley Isabel Grace - Isabel Catherine - Thomas John

1912/9200 Hurley Doreen - Isabel Catherine - Thomas John

Death for Lawrence

1920/12985 Hurley Lawrence 12Y

NZ marriage

1909/5150 Isabel Catherine Moess - Thomas John Hurley

 

[gibbo]

NZ death index

1972/25840 Hurley Thomas John DOB 5 July 1885

Burials

Last name HURLEY
First name THOMAS JOHN
Age 87 Years
Occupation Retired
Service provided Burial
Burial date 20/12/1972
Funeral director WILSON
Cemetery Karori
Section CH ENG2
Plot number 82 F
Record number 81636

Last name HURLEY
First name ISOBEL CATHERINE
Age 84 Years
Occupation HOME DUTIES
Service provided Burial
Burial date 20/05/1970
Funeral director WILSON
Cemetery Karori
Section CH ENG2
Plot number 82 F
Record number 81635

 

[DaveHam9]

Well done gibbo. :biggrin:

So it's Thomas John.

 

[gibbo]

Maybe the arrival

familysearch

Name T J Hurley
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1908
Event Place London, New Zealand
Occupation 3rd class cook's mate
Ship Name Turakina
Departure Date 1907
Departure Port Lyttelton
Arrival Port London
Arrival Place Lyttelton

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

That shipping record looks a bit mixed up. London, NZ ??


Susan and daughter Florence in 1911 census ?? and arrival??

Can't find them in 1911.

 

[Bootzy]

Florence Rebecca Brown’s Baptism Nov 6 1904 at St James the Less definitely has her father as Tyson Orchard Brown – a Soldier..

Note on a Tree has Susan was 3 months pregnant when she married Tyson.

So Tyson took off between Nov 1904 and before birth in NZ in 1908 which fits with Gibbo’s arrival post..

so did Susan & Flo come out under Brown, Lodge or Hurley..

 

[DaveHam9]

Dunno Val.

Have not found them yet.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Had another look at the library for Susan and Florence Rebecca Brown in 1911 census and could not find them.

When did they arrive and under what names ??

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 15268/1921 THOMAS ALBERT C - BROWN SUSAN - BALMAIN NORTH

Marriage 17312/1923 LANGE ALBERT C - BROWN FLORENCE A [?] NARRANDERA

Can't find them in 1911 which suggests they had left England but marriages well afterwards so could have arrived 1920 ??