McPHEE family in Argyll

[DaveHam9]

1861
Civil Parish: Kilmallie
County: Argyll
Address: Murshiarlich
John McPhee Head 40 Labourer Kilmallie
Janet Wife 36 Appin Argyllshire
Janet dau 13 Forwillm, Inverness [Fort William]
Ann dau 11 Glencoe
Allan son 9 Glencoe
Alexander son 6 Kilmallie
Janet dau 4 Kilmallie
Donald son 1 Kilmallie


McPHEE or McPHIE

I'd like a look up please for the family in 1851.

Thanks,

Dave

 

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1851 with not much confidence, there would be questions

Civil Parish: Lismore and Appin
Town: Carnock
County: Argyll
Address: 42
ED: 7; Page: 26; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1851_112

John M Phee 29 [b. Appin. Labourer]
Janet M Phee 27 [do]
Agnes M Phee 1 1 Mo [do]

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Thanks for looking. Here is the next one:

1871
Registration District: Kilmallie
Civil Parish: Kilmallie
County: Argyll
Address: Corpach Road
John Mcphee Head 50 Labourer Kilmallie
Jessie Mcphee Wife 46 Labourer's Wife Appin, Argyll
Allan Mcphee 19 Ag Lab Appin
Alex Mcphee 14 Scholar Kilmallie
Jessie Mcphee 12 Kilmallie <--- Janet
Mary Mcphee 8 Kilmallie
Flora Mcphee 6 Kilmallie

and it's not certain that's the same family. Names and ages and pob differ.

The marriage and the death certificate for John list different parents.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Alexander born 8 Jan 1855 was the informant for his father John's death 18 Dec 1879.

Please see if you can find Alexander in 1881. I can't find him in FS 1855 +/- 1.

 

[horse]

Were his parents, John and Flora?

 

[DaveHam9]

The odd one born Fort William is easy to trace. She is with her mother's parents in 1851:

1851
Parish Number: 525
Civil parish: Duror
County: Argyll
Address: Kentallen
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 30
Roll: CSSCT1851_112 Page 8
Jean Stewart 56
Jean Stewart 22
Hugh Stewart 12
Jean Mcphee Granddaughter 4 Fortwilliam, Invernessshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Were his parents, John and Flora?

Alex age 6 in post #1 born 1855 - John McPHEE and Janet STEWART

Some of the family did end up for a short period in Greenock, Renfrew but returned to Kilmallie.

Here is Janet:

1881
Piece 520 Folio 12 Page 8
Civil Parish: Kilmallie
County: Argyllshire
Registration District: Kilmallie
Address: Corpach, Kilmallie
McPHEE, Janet Head Widow F 58 Crofter Appin Argyllshire
McPHEE, Allan Son Unm M 26 Mason (Journeyman) Appin Argyllshire
McPHEE, Flora Dau F 14 General Servant Kilmallie Argyllshire
McPHEE, Donald Grandson M 6 Scholar Greenock Renfrewshire

1891
Piece 520 Folio 13 Page 8
Civil Parish: Kilmallie
County: Argyllshire
Registration District: Kilmallie
Address: Caol, Kilmallie
McPHEE, Janet Head Widow F 70 Crofter Lismore & Appin Argyllshire
McPHEE, Allan Son Unm M 35 Mason Kilmallie Argyllshire [Appin]
McPHEE, Jessie Dau Unm F 30 House Maid (Dom Servant) Kilmallie Argyllshire
McPHEE, Flora Dau Unm F 24 Greenock Renfrewshire [Kilmallie Argyllshire]
McPHEE, Donald Grandson M 16 Kilmallie Argyllshire [Greenock Renfrew]
McDONALD, John Grandson M 1 Kilmallie Argyllshire

1901
Registration number: 520
Registration District: Kilmallie
Civil Parish: Kilmallie
County: Argyllshire
ED: 14
Household schedule number: 58
Roll: CSSCT1901_180
Address: Tomonie Corpach
Janet Macphee Head 80 Crofter Duror, Argyll
Allan Macphee 49
Flora Macphee 34
Donald Carmichael 34
John Mcdonald 10

Death 6 April 1905

 

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This looks like Janet in 1881, still looking for Alex'

RD: Kilmallie
Civil Parish: Kilmallie
County: Argyll
Address: Corpach
Occupation: Crofter
ED: 12; Page: 8; Line: 9; Roll: cssct1881_153

Janet McPhee 58 [b.Appin. Crofter]
Allan McPhee 28 [do. Mason (Journeyman)]
Flora McPhee 14 [Kilmalie. Gen Servant]
Donald McPhee 6 [Greenock]

 

[horse]

Were his parents, John and Flora?

I meant John's parents :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

I meant John's parents :biggrin:

Oh. Well, his death certificate has:

Death: 1879; Tomonie, Corpach, Kilmallie, Scotland; John McPhee, crofter,
married to Janet Stewart; died 18 Dec 1879; age 61; parents Alexander
McPhee, crofter, deceased and Mary McPhee M.S. Cameron, deceased; witness
Alexander McPhee, son (his mark); certificate #61

and I was wrong, his marriage does not list his father. It has Janet's as Allan.

 

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1841

Civil Parish: Kilmallie
County: Argyll
Address: S Garvan
ED: 6

John Mcphee 55 [b. Argyll. Ag Lab]
Flora Mcphee 45 [do]
John Mcphee 20 [do. Ag. Lab]
Ewen Mcphee 15 [do. do]
Donald Mcphee 13 [do]

 

[DaveHam9]

1841

Civil Parish: Kilmallie
County: Argyll
Address: S Garvan
ED: 6

John Mcphee 55 [b. Argyll. Ag Lab]
Flora Mcphee 45 [do]
John Mcphee 20 [do. Ag. Lab]
Ewen Mcphee 15 [do. do]
Donald Mcphee 13 [do]

An interesting family Geoff, but even assuming son Alex didn't know his father's parents we would have to be missing lots of children if that is John with parents. We have Alan, Alex and Donald and Jane, Ann, Janet and Mary before we get to Flora. No son named John.

 

[DaveHam9]

The one that connects McPHEEs and McDONALDs to my tree is daughter Catherine born 23 Nov 1853 Lismore (525) Appin & Duror and I don't have her in any census until after her marriage in 1877 in Bradford:

1881
RG11 Piece 4474 Folio 111 Page 6
Civil Parish: Shipley
County: Yorkshire
Registration District: Bradford
Address: 30 Victoria Rd
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Occupation Birthplace Disability
Walter Willoughby DOUCE Head M Male 27 Master Tailor Ireland
Catherine DOUCE Wife M Female 28 Tailors Wife Scotland

I have her in census after 1881 and have her 2nd marriage and her death but missing all before 1877.

 

[horse]

1881 - Possibly Alex'

RD: Rutherglen
Civil Parish: Rutherglen
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Glas Rd Shawfield Park Gt House
Occ: Labourer In Iron Works
ED: 23; Page: 5; Line: 11; Roll: cssct1881_268

Dugald Cameron 32 [b. Kilmalie. Gardener]
Annie Cameron 29
Donald Cameron 4
John A Cameron 1
Annie Cameron 3 Mo
Jessie McPhee 22 Visitor [b. Kilmallie (G). Domestic Servant]
Alexander McPhee 24 Boarder [b. Kilmalie (G). Labourer In Iron Works]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

"Bygone Lochaber" by Somerled MacMillan, has the Camagael MacPhee's being descended from John MacPhee, son of John MacPhee of Achnasaul. There were ten MacPhee families in Glen Dessary cleared by Locheil in the Lochaber Clearances of 1804. This Lochiel, the 9th, was still clearing people in the 1830s, "Families who had not been disturbed for 4 or 5 hundred years are turned out of house & home!" The 10th & 11th Lochiel's were every bit as bad as the grandfather. This from a family who later claimed there were no clearances on their estate. John MacPhee was cleared from Corpach & Banavie in 1841. The Camerons were still clearing in 1883, before the Crofting Acts gave security of tenure.

 

[horse]

"Bygone Lochaber" by Somerled MacMillan, has the Camagael MacPhee's being descended from John MacPhee, son of John MacPhee of Achnasaul. There were ten MacPhee families in Glen Dessary cleared by Locheil in the Lochaber Clearances of 1804. This Lochiel, the 9th, was still clearing people in the 1830s, "Families who had not been disturbed for 4 or 5 hundred years are turned out of house & home!" The 10th & 11th Lochiel's were every bit as bad as the grandfather. This from a family who later claimed there were no clearances on their estate. John MacPhee was cleared from Corpach & Banavie in 1841. The Camerons were still clearing in 1883, before the Crofting Acts gave security of tenure.

Good grief, no wonder there was such turmoil, socially and otherwise

 

[DaveHam9]

1881 - Possibly Alex'

RD: Rutherglen
Civil Parish: Rutherglen
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Glas Rd Shawfield Park Gt House
Occ: Labourer In Iron Works
ED: 23; Page: 5; Line: 11; Roll: cssct1881_268

Dugald Cameron 32 [b. Kilmalie. Gardener]
Annie Cameron 29
Donald Cameron 4
John A Cameron 1
Annie Cameron 3 Mo
Jessie McPhee 22 Visitor [b. Kilmallie (G). Domestic Servant]
Alexander McPhee 24 Boarder [b. Kilmalie (G). Labourer In Iron Works]

Geoff

Thanks Geoff.

That would fit with Jessie 2 years younger. Jessie is back with family in 1891.

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

That would fit with Jessie 2 years younger. Jessie is back with family in 1891.

Yep, fits well..

 

[horse]

I wonder why Catherine is not on the 1861 census..

 

[horse]

1881 - Possibly Alex'

RD: Rutherglen
Civil Parish: Rutherglen
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Glas Rd Shawfield Park Gt House
Occ: Labourer In Iron Works
ED: 23; Page: 5; Line: 11; Roll: cssct1881_268

Dugald Cameron 32 [b. Kilmalie. Gardener]
Annie Cameron 29
Donald Cameron 4
John A Cameron 1
Annie Cameron 3 Mo
Jessie McPhee 22 Visitor [b. Kilmallie (G). Domestic Servant]
Alexander McPhee 24 Boarder [b. Kilmalie (G). Labourer In Iron Works]

Geoff

That must be their sister, Ann b. Glencoe.