Menzies - dixon - vernon

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

A new puzzle. Does the Vernon come from the MENZIES or DIXON side?

Where to start?

Marriage# 2679/1859 DIXON EDWARD MENZIES MARGARET PATERSON

The Sydney Morning Herald - Monday 4 April 1859 p.1
MARRIAGES
On the 24th March, at Paterson, by the Rev. Thomas Stirton, Mr. Edward Dixon, of Goulburn, New South Wales, to Margaret, second daughter of the late James Menzies, Esq., of Paterson, formerly of Bristol, England.


Death Reg# 13113/1928 DIXON MARGARET M JAMES EUPHEMIA CHATSWOOD

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 29 September 1928 p.14
DEATHS
DIXON.-September 28, 1928, at her residence, Borambil-street, Warrawee, Margaret Menzies, widow of the late Edward Dixon, of Drummoyne and Singleton, in her 94th year.


1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Parkes - Drummoyne
DIXON Edward, Collingwood-street, independant means
DIXON Margaret Menzies, Collingwood-street, domestic duties
DIXON Harry Vernon, Collingwood-street, chemist *** son

There are three Edward DIXONs in NSW - one the son of a convict. I don't have the death of the one who married Margaret yet so let's work on Margaret first.


Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

So,

Margaret MENZIES b. abt 1835 - parents James & Euphemia

Arrived in Australia before 1865 with or without parents - with or without siblings - eg. perhaps John ???

Marriage
554/1865 MENZIES JOHN DIXON SARAH A SYDNEY

The Sydney Morning Herald - Friday 21 July 1865 p.9
MARRIAGES
MENZIES-DIXON.-June 27th, at St. James' Church, by the Rev. Richard Leigh, of Goulburn, Mr. John Menzies, of Bungendore, to Sara Anne, youngest daughter of the late William Dixon, Esq., of Keswick, Cumberland.

Son
14596/1867 MENZIES JAMES V [= Vernon] JOHN SARAH A PATRICKS PLAIN


Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

It's possible John is not related to Margaret and that the Vernon (although Scottish and more likely to be from the Menzies side) may in fact come from the DIXON side and that there is a connection between Sarah Ann and one of the Edward DIXONs.

This one is listed as a housemaid from Cheshire so she may not be the one who married John ???

DIXON Sarah Ann 25 'Admiral Lyons' 1858 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2138, [4/4795]

One of the Edward DIXONs was the son of a convict and he has a sibling Sarah.

So there are two things to solve:

1) Are John & Margaret MENZIES related?

2) Which of the two Sarah DIXONs married John?

EDIT: Deaths:
9039/1909 MENZIES SARAH A WILLIAM - DRUMMOYNE
15022/1917 MENZIES JOHN 85 YRS DRUMMOYNE DRUMMOYNE


Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Edward not with Margaret.

1913 N.S.W ELECTORAL ROLL - DRUMMOYNE— DRUMMOYNE POLLING-PLACE
1082 Dixon Herbert Hutchinson M Collingwood-street schoolmaster
1084 Dixon Margaret Menzies F Collingwood-street domestic duties

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. So one of these ???

11628/1907 DIXON EDWARD JOHN WALLSEND
2769/1908 DIXON EDWARD A HENRY CARINA PARRAMATTA
9474/1909 DIXON EDWARD HENRY CATHERINE GULGONG
2301/1910 DIXON EDWARD WILLIAM MARY MOSS VALE **********

I've looked in NLA and so far can't see a death or funeral notice for any of them.

DIXON -March 13 suddenly at Moss Vale Edward Dixon of Collingwood street Drummoyne aged 79 years.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

So we have:

Edward DIXON b. abt 1831 - parents William & Mary

So that rules out the son of a convict and sibling Sarah:

One Edward DIXON arrived about 1837 aged about 10, with siblings Thomas, Sarah and Catherine and mother Catherine (nee HUGHES) transported for stealing - married Harry DIXON abt 1825 Liverpool, England.

That one with parents Harry & Catherine.

This death:

9474/1909 DIXON EDWARD HENRY CATHERINE GULGONG

How lost are you? Need a summary ?

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

A summary:

Margaret MENZIES b. abt 1835 - parents James & Euphemia *** James formerly of Bristol

Edward DIXON b. abt 1831 - parents William & Mary *** William possibly of Cumberland

married in 1859 Paterson, NSW

When did they arrive and can you find them in 1841 & 1851?

Is it Euphemia VERNON or Mary VERNON or ???

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1851 U.K Census
Civil Parish: Bristol St Michael
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: St Augustine
Address: 1, St Michaels Hill St Michaels Terrace, St Michael, Bristol

MENZIES, James Head Married M 52 1799 Wholesale Tea Dealer Workington
MENZIES, Euphemia Murray Wife Married F 39 1812 Galloway Creetowns
MENZIES, James Son Unmarried M 20 1831 In Tea Warehouse Dorchester Dorset
MENZIES, John Son Unmarried M 19 1832 In Tea Warehouse Dorchester Dorset
MENZIES, Euphemia Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834 Scholar Warehouse
Dorchester Dorset
MENZIES, Margaret Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Scholar Blandford
Dorset
MENZIES, Janet Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Scholar Blandford
Dorset
MENZIES, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar Bristol
MENZIES, William Joseph Son M 9 1842 Scholar Bristol
MENZIES, Mary Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar Bristol
MENZIES, Agnes Niclas Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar Bristol
MENZIES, Andrew Son M 4 1847 Infant Henbury Gloucestershire
MENZIES, Emily Jane Daughter F 2 1849 Infant Henbury Gloucestershire
MENZIES, Amelia Annie Daughter F 1 1850 Infant Henbury Gloucestershire
EVANS, Mary Ann Amesbury Servant Unmarried F 22 1829 House Servt
Amesbury Somerset
SAXTON, Julia Servant Unmarried F 26 1825 House Servt Tipp Cashel
THOMAS, Margaret Servant Unmarried F 19 1832 House Servt Carmarthen

cheers
crankypants

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1841 U.K Census
Civil Parish: St Paul
Hundred: Bristol City
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: St Paul
Address: Brunswick Square, St Paul, Bristol

MENZIES, James M 42 1799 Tea Dealer
MENZIES, Euphemia F 29 1812 Scotland
MENZIES, Euphemia F 7 1834
MENZIES, Margt F 5 1836
MENZIES, Elizabeth F 2 1839
MENZIES, - M 0 (14 days) 1841 Somerset
VERNON, Wm M 24 1817 Scotland Tea Dealer
COWLEY, Mary F 60 1781 Somerset Nurse
SHEPPARD, Elizh F 26 1815
SHEPPARD, Ann F 20 1821
SHEPPARD, Edwin M 17 1824

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

I'm betting that is a brother and it's Euphemia VERNON born in Scotland.

Also, I noted Margaret has a brother John. If he is the one who married Sarah DIXON then the next two questions are:

Is there any connection between Edward and Sarah DIXON?

Is the Sarah who married John the one who arrived alone in 1858?

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Rats

c. 7 JUL 1836 Independent, Blandford Forum, Dorset, England

Parents James & Euphemia - does not give her maiden name.


LOL England - Dorset even

Spouse: EUPHEMIA VERNON
Marriage: 6 OCT 1829 Saint Peter, Dorchester, Dorset, England

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Can't see them in assisted between 1851-1859, this may be the MENZIES family arriving as unassisted in 1854.

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Mr. Menzies
Port of Departure: London Via Melbourne
Port of Arrival: Port Jackson, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 26 Oct 1853
Vessel Name: Great Britain

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Mrs. Menzies
Port of Departure: London Via Melbourne
Port of Arrival: Port Jackson, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 26 Oct 1853
Vessel Name: Great Britain

Image on both reads Mr & Mrs Menzies 3 boys & 5 girls.

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Lots of marriages in Cumberland for William DIXON to Mary.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks.

Deaths
7317/1885 MENZIES JAMES JAMES EUPHEMIA M BATHURST
3677/1912 MENZIES EUPHEMIA JAMES EUPHEMIA WALLSEND
15498/1929 MENZIES EMILY JAMES EUPHEMIA WAVERLEY
3861/1930 MENZIES ANDREW JAMES EUPHEMIA M PARRAMATTA

The other son should be John. ??? When did John die? OK

Age at death fits:

15022/1917 MENZIES JOHN 85 YRS DRUMMOYNE DRUMMOYNE

The Sydney Morning Herald - Friday 21 July 1865 p.9
MARRIAGES
MENZIES-DIXON.-June 27th, at St. James' Church, by the Rev. Richard Leigh, of Goulburn, Mr. John Menzies, of Bungendore, to Sara Anne, youngest daughter of the late William Dixon, Esq., of Keswick, Cumberland.


Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello cranlypants,

Possibility it's William DIXON & Mary BANKS.

Edward c. 3 OCT 1830 Crosthwaite, Cumberland, England

Sarah Anne c. 24 MAY 1835 Crosthwaite, Cumberland, England

If so it would rule out the Sarah Ann who arrived alone from Cheshire.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

REF: daughter of the late William Dixon, Esq., of Keswick, Cumberland.
Not sure if your Sarah. Did William die before 1851.

1851 U.K Census
Civil Parish: Crosthwaite and Borrowdale
Ecclesiastical parish: Crosthwaite
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Cockermouth
Sub-registration district: Keswick
Address: Village Seathwaite, Crosthwaite

DIXON, John Head Married M 62 1789 Steward Of Black Lead Mines Crosthwaite Cumberland
DIXON, Sarah Wife Married F 63 1788 Stewards Wife Crosthwaite Cumberland
DIXON, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 23 1828 Stewards Daughter Crosthwaite Cumberland
DIXON, Sarah Grand Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834 Steward G Daur Crosthwaite Cumberland

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking.

The dob is within a year so that's ok and place of birth fits. I'd say it's the right family. I don't know when William died. It's expected that Edward would not still be with his grandparents.

Deaths for 8 William DIXONs in Cockermouth 1841-1851.

Deaths for 6 Mary DIXONs in Cockermouth 1841-1851.

Sarah didn't marry until 1865 so it's possible she didn't arrive with elder brother Edward. ???

Edward married in 1859.

I've had no luck yet.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

DIXON Sarah Ann 25 Admiral Lyons 1858 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2138, [4/4795]

I still think it says she is from Cheshire. That means a 2nd one in NSW so can we account for her?

Unassisted to Victoria
DIXON EDWD 28 JUL 1859 TUDOR B 165 002

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1913 N.S.W ELECTORAL ROLL - DRUMMOYNE - DRUMMOYNE POLLING-PLACE
2719 Menzies Guy Dixon Bridge-street doctor of medicine
2750 Menzies Ida Mabel Bridge-street domestic duties
2751 Menzies John Bridge-street agent

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. Guy is the son of John & Sarah.

Deaths
9039/1909 MENZIES SARAH A WILLIAM - DRUMMOYNE
15022/1917 MENZIES JOHN 85 YRS DRUMMOYNE DRUMMOYNE



Regards,

Dave