Michael/ Richard Rogers

[les douglas]

Hello everyone, new to this forum and not sure how it works yet.

Anyway, I searched for my gg grandfather on the 1901 cencus, his name was Michael Rogers. I then searched on the 1881 cencus and found a Richard Rogers, everything about the families of these two men matched i.e.the names and ages of his children, his birthplace, the same street although different house number, is it possible whoever compiled the 1881 cencus could have misread the name on the origional document.

If someone could search the 1891 cencus for his daughter Elizabeth Rogers born in 1867 in Liverpool, Lanchashire, Sisters, Mary A Rogers, Lily Rogers, address, 26 or 58 Duckinfield Street, Liverpool, this might solve the conundrum.

Hope someone can help

Thanx

 

[darkcrystal]

hiya

if you give me a rough date for your grandfathers birth and area, then I'll have a look and see what I can find




hello and welcome to the forum btw


I have just seen the posts for his daughter Elizabeth so will have a look

 

[les douglas]

Hi Dark Crystal

thanks for replying, he was born in Shrewsbury in 1842. in 1881 his job was a painter.

 

[darkcrystal]

Hi I have found the 1881 census with Richard and Ann, and the children,

it is possible that Richard was Michaels brother and to have children named after siblings children wasnt an uncommon practice.

 

[les douglas]

Is he listed on the 1891 cencus, and if so what name? it's a bit odd that the children have exactly the same names and ages.

thanks again for your interest

 

[darkcrystal]

Is he listed on the 1891 cencus, and if so what name? it's a bit odd that the children have exactly the same names and ages.

thanks again for your interest

he is listed as Richard, so the plot does definately thicken, do you have his death cert? or a marriage cert?

 

[les douglas]

unfortunatley I don't have any documents , can I assume that Richard and michael are one and the same person

 

[darkcrystal]

Now I have a theory,

whether this is right or not well, we'll have to see.

was your gt grandad known as Michael? at all? the reason I ask is that on the image on ancestry it looks like Michael could be misread as Richard and vise versa.... the enumerator would have to copy (try and read) whatever the person that filled in the form originally put.

but looking at the writing on the 1901 it does look as if it could say Richard... with a bit of squinting

 

[darkcrystal]

With everything it is always best to get the certs to prove that you are not going along the wrong line...

it has been known.

the best cause of action to take is to start with yourself, and work backwards with certs once you get back to 1901 then you can track (relatively easily) back to 1841, you might have to buy more certs along the way, just to prove the connection. it can be very addictive, however, it isnt as easy as 'Who do you think you are' make out....

 

[darkcrystal]

this is from the 1901

have a look, and you will see what I mean.

 

[p.risboy]

Hello everyone, new to this forum and not sure how it works yet.

Anyway, I searched for my gg grandfather on the 1901 cencus, his name was Michael Rogers. I then searched on the 1881 cencus and found a Richard Rogers, everything about the families of these two men matched i.e.the names and ages of his children, his birthplace, the same street although different house number, is it possible whoever compiled the 1881 cencus could have misread the name on the origional document.

If someone could search the 1891 cencus for his daughter Elizabeth Rogers born in 1867 in Liverpool, Lanchashire, Sisters, Mary A Rogers, Lily Rogers, address, 26 or 58 Duckinfield Street, Liverpool, this might solve the conundrum.

Hope someone can help

Thanx

Hi Les,
Had similar problems to you. I always assumed that my Grandfathers christian name was Eli. It transpired that it was Frederick Eli. The problem was that he had named his son Frederick and so Eli was used to avoid confusion at the time.
This has occured several times when children are named after their parents, or even grandparents. Double, double check everything.
The more you read the census's, you will suss out the the handwriting, there are genuine mistakes made but you will work it out. The more you do the easier it becomes.

Steve.

 

[les douglas]

Hi dc

I agree with you I think his name has been misread, Michael and Richard share the same letters in the middle (icha) and the "el" at the end of Michael could be misread as a "d" , the other info is to similar to be a coincedence.

I never met him and nobody left in the family remembers him, but I will see what certificates I can get, which cert. give the most info? I woild think it would be a marriage cert. but I have searched bmd records between about 1850 and 1881 and can't find a record of a Rogers marrying Anne.

Anyway thanks for your interest, I have another problem to solve so I will probably be in touch again soon

ld

 

[les douglas]

thanks Steve