MILLER family from Scotland

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Janet Miller
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 20 Dec 1827
christening: 20 Jan 1828 PERTH, PERTH, SCOTLAND
parents: Robert Miller, Margaret Ower

James Miller
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 16 Mar 1830
christening: 07 Apr 1830 DUNDEE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
parents: Robert Miller, Margaret Ower

There should be a Robert too.

Janet/Jessie married in Qld. as did James. Robert junior married in Scotland.

V1847812 32C/1847 TUCKER HENRY - MILLER JANNET CU= CofE Brisbane, St John's (QLD)

From "Queenslanders- Pioneer Families" it has Janet/Jessie emigrating a few years earlier probably with brother Robert and his family.

2nd marriage for Jessie:

The Moreton Bay Courier (Brisbane, Qld. : 1846 - 1861)
Saturday 20 August 1853
At Brisbane, by special license, on the 15th August, by the Rev. Charles Stewart, Mr. John Turnbull, Kinnoul, Dawson River, to Jessie, relict of the late Mr. Henry Tucker, Sydney.

Robert is said to have been in partnership with John at Dawson River.


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From census it looks as though James arrived 1851 - 1861 ???

Marriage 3 Feb 1864/B0841 Miller James - Cameron Mary

Death 1 Mar 1891/C03916 Miller James - Robert Miller - Margaret Owen [Ower]

I can't find a birth or death to prove Robert junior actually exists.

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Maybe your Robert, if so he was here in 1861.

The Courier (Brisbane, Qld. : 1861 - 1864)
Monday 16 September 1861

MILLER.-July 24, at Kirmoull, on the Dawson, Mrs. Robert Miller, of a son.

QLD birth index
1861/C837 Unnamed (M) Miller Robert Margaret Scott

 

[gibbo]

This is the first birth in NSW /QLD that i can find. Yep one of those births reg. in both states cause QLD hadnt come into been until 1859.

QLD birth
1858/B529 Robert Gibson Miller Robert Margaret Scott

NSW birth
5292/1858 MILLER
ROBERT G
ROBERT
MARGARET
BRISBANE MORETON BAY

 

[gibbo]

Ok got his death Dave...

THE LATE ROBERT MILLER

Another identity passed away on Monday in the person of Mr Robert Miller, of Ipswich. Mr. Miller was one of the few men who were on the Darling Downs in 1840 and was one of the last of that ilk. The deceased gentleman was bom In Dundee in November, 1819, and was therefore bordering on 80 years of age. He came out to Sydney as a young man, and Moreton Bay offering inducements to those wishing to strike out in an absolutely new country, he journeyed hither, arriving, as has been stated, in 1840. He for some time acted as I manager of Eton Vale station, the property j o* Sir (then Mr.) Arthur Hodgson. Sufose I qucntly, acting on Mr. Hodgson's advice, I (he-uimong the earliest men-went on t)ho I Dawson, and formed and named Kinnoul Ut'ion, in conjunction with the late Mr. John Turnbull. He UvoJ and wortced heie for many years, taking a deep Interest In mat'teTQ affecting the centres which were gradually springing up around, and In Queensland as a colony in pantdeular. While located on Kinnoul he decided on making a trip to the l¡and of his birth, and during his absence the dtBrtilon WB3 leased to the late Mr. W. Mile's. With the exce(pi"<on of this period, Mr. Miller lived from the year 1840 In Queensland. He had, In com- mon with others, many difficulties to con- tend with-among o'theTB dTougtota which ev autually drove him from pastoral pursuits into the civil -service. His first position was B9 clerk of petty sessions at Beenleish, Just about tihe time wf the esflalbMebment of thait town. He was subsequently trans ifprred to Wlarwlck, and later on again Jie was promo"ed to a police magistratedbip at Goondiwindi. During recent years, how- ever, Mr. Miller blas held the office of registrar of births, de&tihs, and marriages, _ &e, ait Ipswich, and he virtually died in Wariness. The deceased gentleman was a splendid epedmon of the pioneer squatter, and was thoroughly respected, and his artis- tic testes, apart from his official position, made for hlim many friends quite outiildo the ordirary circle. Mr. Mlller'a two sIsitefls-HMrs. W. Mount Huitton, and Mrs. Olomewts, of Roekhaimpton-and n family ol sons and daughters comprising Mr. R. E. Miller, srazler, of Aramae, Mr. J. Mi'Ietr, ci Townsville, Mr. C. (Miller, Crown landa ranger, Air. E. Miller, solicitor, Cairns, Mrs. Josoph Trundle, and M'ss Kaite Mi 1er Mr.I Miller had been suffering from Influenza, I which compliea/ed an internal troulMe, for which an opérait Ion had to be penfonmcKl.1 His strength was such as would not Btani 1 the strain. The remains were followed by a large numher of mourners to j Toowong Cemetery, the body having peea I conveyed from lD*widh by train.


QLD death index
1899/C2538 Robert Miller

He is buried with Margaret
Cemetery: Toowong Cemetery
Miller Robert 28 / 06 / 1899 79 years
Miller Margaret 17 / 05 / 1912 Unknown
portion 13 section 17 grave 19/20

 

[gibbo]

Got a heap of info in Margaret's death notice.. A marriage year and all.

The Queenslander (Brisbane, Qld. : 1866 - 1939)
Saturday 25 May 1912

Mrs. Margaret Miller (widow of the late Mr. Robert Miller), who died on Thurs day last at her residence, Clayfield, was one of Queensland's pioneer settlers. Born at Dunoon, near Glasgow, Scotland, on March 1. 1834, she was in her 70th year at the time of her death. Mrs. Miller's father was the late Mr. John Scott, well known in the Imperial Customs at Ha wick. She was married at Dundee in 1857, and with her husband came to Queensland in the same year, and settled on Kinnoul station, on the Dawson, which had been taken up a few years before by Mr. Miller. They afterwards resided for many years in the Logan and Albert district, Warwick, and Ipswich, where Mr. Miller filled various public offices. Mr. Miller died at Ipgwich in 1899, and his widow subsequently removed to South Brisbane and thence to Clayfield, where she has lived for the last 12 years. Mrs. Miller was typical of the hardy Scottish settlers of the early days. She was for many years a member of the old Ann street Presbyterian Church congregation under the late Rev. Charles Ogg, and (subsequently of St. Stephens, Ipswich, under, the Rev. Peter Robertson. Almost up to the date of her death she was a regular attendant at tbe Bellevue Pres byterian Church, Clayfield. Mrs. Miller was a cousin of Sir John Murray, of Ox ford (of dictionary fame), and of Mr. Charles Murray, also of Oxford. Six years ago she visited Scotland, after an absence of 49 years, and was present at the great Hawick gathering, when the -freedom of the city was conferred upon Sir John Murray. She was a deep reader, and i3i
was Keenly interested in scientific anS social problems, and also followed both local and Imperial political questions •with a keen interest. Mrs. Miller is survived by two daughters (Mrs. J. J. Trundle and Miss K. W. Miller, of ClayfieldJ, and three sons (Messrs. K. 6. Miller, of Araniac, C. J. F. Miller, of Roma, and E. H. Miller, of Esk). She also leaves 20 grandchildren And one great grand-


QLD death index
1912/B15815 Margaret Miller

 

[gibbo]

He did exist Dave :biggrin:

 

[gibbo]

Still trying to find a passenger list tho

Looks like they were all at Kinnoul Station
So James arrived before 1857.

Oct 1857
Apply to Mr. JAMES MILLER, Kinnoul Station, Dawson River

 

[gibbo]

I found this but i cant find any records to confirm it.

name: Robert MILLER
gender: Male
birth: 9 Oct 1819
, Perth, , Scotland
death: 27 Jun 1899
, Ipswich, Queensland, Australia
AFN: 9W49-0S
Parents
father: Robert MILLER (AFN: G6FG-C2 )
mother: Margaret OWER (AFN: G6FG-D7 )
Marriages (1)
spouse: Margaret SCOTT (AFN: 9W49-10 )
marriage: 25 Feb 1857
, Dundee, Forfar, Scotland

 

[DaveHam9]

He did exist Dave :biggrin:

Thanks gibbo.

Looks very much like he did. :2fun:


Robert MILLER & Margaret OWER
Marriage: 4 Jan 1819 Perth, Perth, Scotland


So Robert has to be the eldest by far.

Can't find a birth/baptism or marriage for Robert junior in FS.

 

[DaveHam9]

So it's impossible for Janet/Jessie to have arrived with Robert and his family as suggested.

Jessie arrived 'a few years' before 1847.

Robert & Margaret and possibly children arrived in 2nd half probably of 1857.

James arrived after 1851 and before Oct 1857. Possibly same vessel.


No Robert/Rbt/R MILLER/MILLAR in the Qld. Archives index arriving 1857.

 

[gibbo]

Just been mucking with the QLD bmd and the birth date for the first kid born here for Robert and Margaret was 24 Dec 1857 hence not registered until 1858.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks. I'll check SP for the marriage.

1857 Dundee City Robert MILLER & Margaret SCOTT

It looks as though they did arrive in 1857.

 

[gibbo]

So it would seem, somewhere between 25 February and 24 Dec :2fun::2fun:

 

[gibbo]

Not sure if these links will work or not

http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/153935...yyy&l-word=*ignore*|*ignore*&sortby&c=picture

http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/151593...yyy&l-word=*ignore*|*ignore*&sortby&c=picture

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo. The links work.

I'm way out on a limb of my tree now.

 

[gibbo]

Oh ok. A sidetrack or you wanted to go that way?

My turn to go shopping now :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok.

A planned sidetrack.

I received some info on James MILLER junior so I'm doing a bit more work on the family.

 

[gibbo]

Ok so we just need the passenger lists then ... considering we are in the Travel and Migration forum i guess we do :2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

We need someone to check the unassisted to NSW list:

Janet Miller year Sydney, New South Wales date vessel name

Miss Jeannett Miller year Sydney, New South Wales date vessel name

Jessie Miller Sydney, New South Wales date vessel name

Jessie Miller Sydney, New South Wales date vessel name


Arrived 1841 (census) - 1847 (marriage) but probably more likely 1845 - 1846.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hugh number of Robert and Margaret MILLERs on the unassisted index.

Wish putting a year = 1857 brought up only 1857 hits.

We need the name of one of the children and hope it's something like Murgatroyd. :biggrin: