Missing Births

[Battlecrease]

Hi Everyone, How common is it to find people whose births have not ben registered I have found three siblings that I am unable to locate their birth dates I have checked GRO & BMD but there is no record of them or any evidence of Baptisms.
Sophia Kerr (1852) Liverpool.
Margaret Kerr (1854) Liverpool.
Robert Kerr (1860) Liverpool.
James Kerr (1864) Liverpool. All dates Approx.
Parents James Kerr 1815-1892) Glasgow & Elizabeth Myers (1823) Liverpool. Married 5/6/1853 Liverpool. 2nd Marriage for both.

The family appears on 1861 Census mis recorded under the surname "Sterr" and I can find them in later life through marriages but I cannot find enough information to be able to request any birth certificates , so I am stumped and hoping that somebody may be able to offer some advise, Thanks in advance.

Terry.

 

[p.risboy]

What was Elizabeth Myers maiden name in her 1st marriage. Strange that she gives her fathers name as Thomas Myers, if she was a widow.?

KERR, ROBERT mmn. ELLISON
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 143
KERR, ROBERT mmn. MCGILVERY
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 171

 

[gibbo]

Just posting for reference

1861
Lancashire (LAN) Islington Liverpool St Annes
9 Circus Street

KERR James Head 46 Porter Scotland Glasgow
KERR Elizabeth Wife 38 Lancashire Liverpool
KERR Sophia Dau- 8 Scholar Lancashire Liverpool
KERR Margaret Dau- 7 Scholar Lancashire Liverpool
KERR Robert Son- 2 Lancashire Liverpool

https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_r...err-1861-lancashire-islington-1853-?locale=en
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[DaveHam9]

I have a missing birth reg in Liverpool about 1854 for my great grandfather. I have found birth reg for his younger siblings also born Liverpool.

 

[Battlecrease]

Hi, And thanks for your speedy replies, I cannot find any evidence of the earlier marriage for Elizabeth Myers and agree that it is strange that she chose to use her maiden name on her wedding certificate despite her being recorded as a widow, maybe they had something to hide, it is also strange that James recorded the births of his three children from the earlier marriage to Elizabeth Tomlinson (31/0/141) I really don't know where to go with this one.

 

[p.risboy]

It could have been an error by the registrar on the marriage cert. for recording Elizabeth Myer as a widow.

 

[gibbo]

Sophia Kerr (1852) Liverpool.
Margaret Kerr (1854) Liverpool.
Robert Kerr (1860) Liverpool.
James Kerr (1864) Liverpool. All dates Approx.

Long shot but were any of the above still alive in 1939? The 1939 register should have their date of birth and might help narrow down finding their actual births.

 

[Battlecrease]

Good idea. I will see what I can find

 

[p.risboy]

I have checked the 1921 cenus for Robert & James Kerr, the only 2 Kerrs that came up for being born Liverpool were these 2................

Charles J
Kerr
1863
Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Walton on the Hill
West Derby
Lancashire

William J
Kerr
1865
Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Toxteth Park
Toxteth Park
Lancashire

 

[p.risboy]

Found this in 1921 census, but cannot confirm he's yours.

 

[Battlecrease]

Good advice Gibbo but the only person that I could find alive in 1939 census was Sophia Kerr 23 Chamberlain Street, Wallasey , Widow, DOB 21 May 1852 but checking again using this information I still cannot find her birth recorded anywhere

 

[Battlecrease]

Thanks Steve, Robert & Margaret could be mine as the wifes name is the same and they are both in the correct age range but I still cant find any evidence to the birth being registered so dont know how to obtain a birth certificate to prove parents information.
Thanks.

 

[benny1982]

Also bear in mind that a percentage of births went unregistered inbetween 1837 and 1874 when an Act tightened up the rules.

 

[gibbo]

Good advice Gibbo but the only person that I could find alive in 1939 census was Sophia Kerr 23 Chamberlain Street, Wallasey , Widow, DOB 21 May 1852 but checking again using this information I still cannot find her birth recorded anywhere

If Sophia was born the year before marriage, her birth may be under a different surname, such as Myers [assuming Myers is mother's maiden name]
OR as Benny suggested the births were unregistered.

 

[benny1982]

I have looked and cannot find a Sophia Myers birth in Liverpool 1850-1854. There was one in Bradford in 1853 but unlikely it is yours.

I have an ancestor born in Essex in 1852 and it seems she was not registered.

 

[gibbo]

Thanks Ben, it was worth a try

 

[DaveHam9]

Unregistered or a batch of Liverpool records around 1854 lost ?

I've given up trying to find my great grandfather's birth reg. I've bought several hoping the name was mangled but all proved to be the wrong ones.

 

[gibbo]

Just another thought but if there are no birth registrations how would one go trying to find baptism records. Only asking as i don't know much about them and wondering if that could be another avenue. One would probably have to know what religion and what area to start looking??

 

[gibbo]

Found this birth but wrong area?? I get lost in the areas in the UK.

KERR, JAMES Mothers maiden name KERR GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in CHESTER LE STREET Volume 10A Page 422

 

[benny1982]

That could appy to my ancestor born 1851 or 1852 in Essex. Birth unregistered or a page or two lost from the original registers.