MONKS, COLEMAN, DEASY families

[DaveHam9]

NSW Marriage 1534/1872 COLEMAN CHARLES - MONKS MARGARET - BATHURST

Starting work on these families.

I can't see a notice in TROVE.

 

[DaveHam9]

Baptisms I'll look up at the library this week:

V18362391 127/1836 MONKS CATHERINE THOMAS ELLEN
V18362336 128/1836 MONKS CATHERINE THOMAS ELLEN
V1836806 129/1836 MONKS CATHERINE THOMAS ELLEN
V18412384 61/1841 MONKS JAMES THOMAS ELLEN
V18452320 62/1845 MONKS MARGART THOMAS ELLEN
V18473292 64/1847 MONKS ELLEN THOMAS ELLEN


Ellen had married in Ireland hence the delay in marrying again in NSW:

V1854868 41B/1854 MONKS THOMAS - DAWSON ELLEN - MC= CofE Bungonia, Goulburn, St Saviour's (Co. Argyle), Goulburn Plains, Lake Bathurst, Marulan

 

[DaveHam9]

Ellen is DAWSON/DEASY alias MURPHY.

Ellen DEASY alias MURPHY 25 and her mother Catherine DEASY or DAWSON 54 arrived here on Andromeda II on 17/9/1834.

arrival: Andromeda
Convict vessel
Master: Ben Gales
Origin: Cork 1834 May 25
Destination: Sydney 1834 Sep 17
Background
Date Item Details Source


http://www.jenwilletts.com/convict_ship_andromeda_1834.htm

I can't find anything that puts Ellen and her mother Catherine on the 'Andromeda' of 1834.

 

[DaveHam9]

arrival: Sophia
Convict vessel
Master: Thos A Elley
Origin: Dublin 1828 Sep 15
Destination: Sydney 1829 Jan 17
Background
Date Item Details Source

http://www.jenwilletts.com/convict_ship_sophia_1829.htm

Thomas MONKS alias DEEGAN

DEEGAN Thomas Sophia 1829 33/1009 Ticket of Leave [4/4091; Reel 920] District: Goulburn; Tried: Dublin City
DEEGAN Thomas Sophia 1829 35/0946 31 Aug 1835 Certificate of Freedom [4/4329; Reel 995] TL 33/1009


I'm searching the list of convicts on the 'Sophia' and I can't find Thomas as Monks or Deegan.

 

[Bootzy]

Ohhh is this one of yours???
SMH Wed 22 Feb 1865
GOULBURN.
Tuesday.
At the police court, yesterday, Thomas James Lodge and Thomas Jones, charged with receiving saddles from bushrangers, were remanded for eight days. Christina McKinnon and Ellen Monks, on remand, for assisting the bushrangers Hall, Gilbert, and Dunn to burn Mr. Morris's stores at Binda, were committed for trial. Margaret Monks, charged with the same offence, was discharged.
ohoo...
Bells life Sat 31 March 1860
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/59872385?searchTerm=Thomas monks&searchLimits=l-decade=186

NSW BMD has Thomas Monks death 3267/1859 Goulburn - parents unknown
3896/1860 Ellen Monks aged 44 years Goulburn
regards
Val

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes. Margaret and her younger sister Ellen were involved with the Ben Hall Gang. Ellen with Ben and Margaret with John Dunn.
The night of Boxing Day 1864 they were at the Binda ball together and after they were involved with the burning of a store at Binda.
John Dunn was on the run for the murder of Constable Nelson in 1865 and it is said he held up at the Monks farm.

and

Bell’s Life in Sydney and Sporting Reviewer (NSW : 1845 - 1860) - Saturday 31 March 1860 p.3
Goulburn Circuit Court.
MONDAY, MARCH 26.
(Before His Honor Mr, Justice Witt)
SENTENCE OF DEATH UPON ELLEN MONKS FOR THE MURDER OF HER HUSBAND.
Ellen Monks was indicted for the wilful murder of her husband, Thomas Monks, at Longnose Creek, on the 31st October, 1859.
Prisoner pleaded guilty.

 

[DaveHam9]

Children of the 1872 marriage:

8657/1872 COLEMAN CHARLES R CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
9358/1874 COLEMAN CHARLOTTE EMILY CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
9845/1876 COLEMAN WILLIAM EDWIN CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
10935/1878 COLEMAN WILLIAM E CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
12258/1880 COLEMAN ALICE MAUD CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
16157/1884 COLEMAN MARY CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR

No reg for an Ethel M or an M... E.

 

[DaveHam9]

Births
19010/1908 COLEMAN ERNEST - ? - ETHEL M - SUNNY CORNER
39733/1909 COLEMAN WILLIAM - ? - ETHEL M - NEWTOWN

Deaths
23974/1935 COLEMAN ETHEL M - WILLIAM SARAH C WEST MAITLAND
1862/1938 COLEMAN ETHEL MAY - JAMES EMMA RYDE
33050/1953 COLEMAN ETHEL - CHARLES THOMAS CATHERINE QUIRINDI
34726/1967 COLEMAN ETHEL MAY - EDWARD PHILADELPHIA WAGGA WAGGA
1950/1968 COLEMAN ETHEL MABEL - ROGER JANET SYDNEY

 

[DaveHam9]

COLEMAN Ethel May Death notice 28JUN1967 Death 73 at Wagga, formerly of Sandy Creek, Gundagai Sydney Morning Herald 03JUL1967

Hmmm. 1894.

Birth 33140/1890 COLEMAN ETHEL M - JOHN - HARRIETT A - SUNNY CORNER


I'd better explain what I'm doing.

Margaret MONKS and Charles COLEMAN are the grandparents of Ernest COLEMAN born 1908.

 

[DaveHam9]

Looking for deaths for Margaret and Charles COLEMAN.

7390/1885 COLEMAN CHARLES AGE 49 YEARS DIED SUNNY CORNER BATHURST

Can't see a birth reg for Charles in NSW.

Probable:

17068/1920 COLEMAN MARGARET - THOMAS - PORTLAND

 

[DaveHam9]

Can anything be found to confirm this?

Ellen DEASY alias MURPHY 25 and her mother Catherine DEASY or DAWSON 54 arrived here on Andromeda II on 17/9/1834.

 

[horse]

http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/claimaconvict/shipDetails.php?shipId=548

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Very few have claimed a convict on that vessel because the total number was 175.

That info came from somewhere but it's not on the NSW State Records site.

 

[horse]

New South Wales, Australia, Settler and Convict Lists, 1787-1834
Catherine Deasy
Arrival Date: 17 Sep 1834
Vessel: Andromeda
Province: New South Wales
Title: Convicts arrived
Year(s): 1833-1834

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[horse]

New South Wales, Australia, Convict Indents, 1788-1842
Catherine Deasy
Age: 54
Date of Conviction: May 1833
Place of Conviction: Cork
Estimated birth year: abt 1779
Vessel: Andromeda (3)
Port of Arrival: New South Wales
Date of Arrival: 22 Sep 1834

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[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

She was sent to the Female Factory at Parramatta.

 

[horse]

Just checking for Ellen...

 

[horse]

New South Wales, Australia, Settler and Convict Lists, 1787-1834
Ellen Deasy
[Murphy Deasy]
Arrival Date: 17 Sep 1834
Vessel: Andromeda
Province: New South Wales
Title: Convicts arrived
Year(s): 1833-1834

Image:

 

[horse]

New South Wales, Australia, Convict Indents, 1788-1842
Ellen Deasy
[Ellen Murphy]
Age: 25
Date of Conviction: 16 Aug 1833
Place of Conviction: Cork
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Vessel: Andromeda (3)
Port of Arrival: New South Wales
Date of Arrival: 22 Sep 1834

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[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I'm still stuck trying to make the connection between Charles and Margaret and grandson Ernest.