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Morse family mystery HELP!

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I have been researching the Morse family tree. Sydney George Morse born abt 1885 Swansea, Glamorgan is my great grandfather (on my mother’s side), and he married a Mary Gwendoline Barlow. I was always led to believe that Sydney’s parents were William Morse (1837) and Annie Marie Wheeler (1848), however, after requesting the birth certificate of the only Sydney George Morse who was born in the correct area and birth year states his mother’s name was Ann Williams, but the father’s name and occupation were correct. This is now making me doubt all previous research for Sydney’s ancestors. Can anyone suggest where I go from here? or has anyone else researched the same Morse family tree? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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You need the marriage certificate for William Morse to Annie/Ann..........she could have been a widow or illigitimate.

Being 'led to believe', was that someone elses guess or confirmed certificated research.

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Sidney George Morse
Birth year 1885
Birth date 20 Aug 1885
Baptism year 1885
Baptism date 03 Sep 1885
Place Swansea, Christ Church
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Page 149Record set Glamorganshire Baptisms
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SIDNEY GEORGE MORSE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1907Registration month -
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SIDNEY GEORGE MORSE married one of these people
Mary Gwendoline Barlow, Catherine Thomas
District Swansea
District number -
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 11AVolume as transcribed 11A
Page number 1309Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status *** Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
WilliamMorseHead--Married--Male53-1838-Mariner-Milby, Yorkshire, England
AnnMorse-Wife-Married-Female42-1849-Milby, Yorkshire, England
WilliamMorse-Son-Single-Male14-1877-Scholar-Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
JohnMorse-Son-Single-Male10-1881Scholar-Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
SydneyMorse-Son-Single-Male5-1886-Scholar-Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Rodney Street, Swansea
 

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WILLIAM ROBERT MORSE
Birth year 1877
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Williams
District Swansea
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
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WILLIAM MARSH
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1855Registration month -
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WILLIAM MARSH married one of these people
Mary Ann Thomas, Ann Williams
District Ludlow
District number -
County Shropshire
Country England

Volume 6A
Volume as transcribed 6A
Page number 958
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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Think its wrong
 
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1881 census
Anne Morse 30 married wife of mariner
Fanny m Morse 6 - 1875
William Morse 4 - 1877
John Morse 6 months

Looking the births on GRO
Fanny Matilda Morse mmn -Wheeler
William Morse mmn - Williams
John Henry Morse mmn - wheeler

Something very strange going on!
 

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You beat me Peter.

I can't see a birth in Milby for Ann as Williams or Wheeler.

Marriages Dec Qtr 1871
MORSE William - Swansea 11a 950
WHEELER Ann Maria - Swansea 11a 950
 
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FANNY MATILDA MORSE
Birth year 1874
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Wheeler
District Swansea
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
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Fanny Matilda Morse
Birth year 1874
Birth date 13 Nov 1874
Baptism year 1874
Baptism date 16 Dec 1874
Place Swansea, St Mary
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Anne
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ANN MARIS WHEELER
Marriage quarter 4Marriage year 1871Registration month -
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ANN MARIS WHEELER married one of these people
William Morse, William Hullin
District Swansea
District number -
County Glamorganshire
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Volume 11A
Volume as transcribed 11A
Page number 950
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Better still

Ann Maria
Last name Wheeler
Age Full
Birth year -
Event year 1871
Banns year -
Marriage year 1871
Marriage date 17 Dec 1871
Marriage place Swansea, St James
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Wheeler
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Morse
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's birth year -
Spouse's father's last name Morse
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Event Marriage
Page 47
Record set Glamorganshire Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
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You need the marriage certificate for William Morse to Annie/Ann..........she could have been a widow or illigitimate.

Being 'led to believe', was that someone elses guess or confirmed certificated research.

Steve.:)
I have a marriage certificate for William morse and Annie Marie wheeler it states she is a spinster, but when we got the birth certificate of their son Sydney it said his mother's name was williams and not wheeler.
 
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Thank you everyone that has had an input.
I am just confused now because I gathered information many years ago from family members that are no longer with us. I obtained certificates to prove what I had been told was correct, but I didn't get sydney's birth certificate as my nan knew everything about him (with him being her dad)
I have recently gone back to this side of my tree and got stuck. So I decided to look back and make sure everything I already had was correct.. At this point I thought it might be a good idea to get Sydney's birth certificate and when it arrived said his mother was Ann Williams not Annie Wheeler. So now I don't know what to do.
 

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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
14, Slone Street, Swansea (Town), Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales

AnneMorseHead-Married-Female30-1851-Mariners Wife-Westbury, Wiltshire,- England
Fanny M Morse-Daughter-Single-Female6--1875-Scholar-Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
William Morse-Son-Single-Male4-1877-Scholar-Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
 

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