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Most unusual - 'Gentlewoman'

DaveHam9

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Hello,

I have just received a copy of a NSW marriage certificate. I was hoping it had the place of birth for Jane but it just says Scotland. I can't find her birth/baptism in ScotlandsPeople or anywhere. The three oldest children are there but the three youngest are not. I even looked in England because she is shown on the 1849 shipping record aged 1. The vessel departed The Downes in January 1849 so the family had to travel from Dumfermline, Fife.

What is most unusual is the occupation shown for Jane - 'Gentlewoman' :D

Groom: Charles Thomas ANDERSON
Status: Bachelor
Place of Birth: Manchester, England
Occupation: Upholsterer
Age: 29
Usual Residence: 18 Wynyard Square, Sydney
Father: Robert ANDERSON
Occupation: Upholsterer
Mother: Eliza MORRIS

Bride: Jane SANDS
Status: Spinster
Place of Birth: Scotland
Occupation: Gentlewoman
Age: 25
Usual Residence: 190 Sussex Street, Sydney
Father: William SANDS
Occupation: Baker
Mother: Catherine Angus SWAN

Date of Marriage: 25 May 1874
Place of Marriage: 190 Sussex Street, Sydney
Religion: Presbyterian
Witnesses: David SANDS, Catherine HIGGINS
Minister: Adam THOMSOM

Birthplace/Age/Parent Details were obtained from Church Register No 2069

Ref No.: 1874/481
 

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According to the IGI William Sands and Catherine Angus Swan married in Dunfermiline, Fife, Scotland, 11 May 1833. They had the following children baptised in Dunfermiline, James Sands 17 Jan, 1834, Margaret Stewart Sands 3 Feb. 1836 and Elizabeth Sands 10 April 1838.
 

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Hello Robesur,

Yes that's correct. William & Catharine are my GG grandparents. This date is William's baptism:

03/06/1810 SANDS WILLIAM JAMES SANDS/ELISABETH KELTIE M Torryburn /FIFE 458/ 0020 0383

1841 Scotland Census
Name: Willm Sands
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Fife, Scotland
Civil Parish: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: Chalmers St
Occupation: Dmts Weaver Lin
Parish Number: 424
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Willm Sands 30
Christian Sands 25 [Catharine]
James Sands 7
Margret Sands 5
Elizabeth Sands 3
Catherin Sands 8 Mo
I can find no birth/baptism record for Catherine b. 1840 or William b. abt 1843 or Jane b. abt 1848. Really a bit odd that there are records for the first three children and not the next three. Also, I've not found a death record for Catherine. No record of her death on the vessel.

Vessel 'Diana' Master: Fletcher Rigging: ship Weight: 574
Origin: 23 Jan 1849 The Downs Destination: 9 Jun 1849 Sydney
Background: Got on shore at Milsons Point when entering river but suffered little damage - Source nzr:329
229 immigrants - almost equal numbers of English, Irish (mostly labourers) & Scots (mostly mechanics).

Assisted immigrants arriving in Sydney & Newcastle, 1844-59
Surname Firstname Events Age Remarks Vessel Year Reel
SANDS William 38 and family Diana 1849 2135, 2459
SANDS Katron 34 and family Diana 1849 2135, 2459
SANDS James 14 and family Diana 1849 2135, 2459
SANDS Margaret 13 and family Diana 1849 2135, 2459
SANDS Elizabeth 11 and family Diana 1849 2135, 2459
SANDS William 6 and family Diana 1849 2135, 2459
SANDS Jane 1 and family Diana 1849 2135, 2459

Death
Surname: ANDERSON
Given Names: Jane
Event: D
***:
Spouse Surname/Father: Sands Wm
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Cath UNKNOWN
Age: 67
Age Code:
Birth Place:
Death Place: Prahran
Year: 1915
Reg. Number: 2798

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.) - Monday 25th January 1915
DEATHS
ANDERSON.–On the 22nd January, at Melbourne, while on a visit, Jane, the loved wife of Charles Thomas Anderson, of “Ardath” Farr Street Rockdale Sydney, and loved sister-in-law of Mrs. Emma Abbot, of Malvern, and Robert Anderson, of Toorak, aged 67 years.

William's marriage certificate also gives his place of birth as simply, Scotland.

Death # 894/1906 SANDS WILLIAM WILLIAM CATHERINE CAMPERDOWN

SANDS William Death notice 26FEB1906 Death 63 late of Camperdown SMH 28FEB1906

Regards,

Dave
 
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Hi Dave,

Just had a look in the dictionary for a definition of Gentlewoman. This is what it says!

1.
a woman of good family, breeding, or social position

2.
a civilized, educated, sensitive, or well-mannered woman; lady.

3.
a woman who attends upon a lady of rank.

:) Josie
 

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Thanks Josie.

I've never seen it before in any record.

Well, the only one that fits what I know is #2. Family social position /rank rules the others out. The family is from the little village of Torryburn. I walked through the village 4 years ago. So depressing. Full of nondescript council housing. Not a SANDS left there and not for many many years. The old cemetery at Crombie Point in ruins.
 
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