My Deceased Grandfather

[brendaponting]

Hi again, as I said in my intro, I have been researching my family for quite some time, and to date I have be able to obtain, many records of births deaths burials and passenger list, but i have hit a total brick wall with 2 persons events

1 , where ane when did my grandfather die?
his name was JAMES SLATER CHADDERTON, he was born SEPT QUARTER 1891,
in FARNWORTH BOLTON,PARENTS JOHN AND ELLEN CHADDERTON NEE SLATER i know he came to canada in 1913 and married my nan in 1914, they had a child ( my father ) in 1917 , for some reason my nan went back to bolton in 1919, (to 137 cannon/common street ) , but my grandfather only went back in 1920...........when my nan cam eback to canada in 1927, he did not come with her..............so from 1920 on I know nothing

2 my great grandfather ALFRED WHALLEY BORN 1871 , LANCASHIRE I BELIEVE HABERGHAM, he came to canada( winnipeg ) 1906, i have the burial certificate for his wife from 1930, she died in montreal, and it says WIDOW of , I am not sure if my gr grandparents ever returned to england after 1906, tho i do know that my grandmother did, as i have the manifest for her return to canada in 1912, and my aunt was married in 1913 in bolton , i have searched free bmd and lancashire bmd for his death but the dates dont match up, they do not appear on the canada 1906 or 1911 census either, the manifest for 1912 ( my grandmothers) stated that she had been to canada befor for 3 years. I would like to know if my gr grand dad died in the uk or canada,his parents were HENRY AND GRACE WHALLEY NEE HELLENS

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR READING THIS LONG POST, FORGIVE ME !

KIND REGARDS, BRENDA

 

[p.risboy]

Hi again, as I said in my intro, I have been researching my family for quite some time, and to date I have be able to obtain, many records of births deaths burials and passenger list, but i have hit a total brick wall with 2 persons events

1 , where ane when did my grandfather die?
his name was JAMES SLATER CHADDERTON, he was born SEPT QUARTER 1891,
in FARNWORTH BOLTON,PARENTS JOHN AND ELLEN CHADDERTON NEE SLATER i know he came to canada in 1913 and married my nan in 1914, they had a child ( my father ) in 1917 , for some reason my nan went back to bolton in 1919, (to 137 cannon/common street ) , but my grandfather only went back in 1920...........when my nan cam eback to canada in 1927, he did not come with her..............so from 1920 on I know nothing

2 my great grandfather ALFRED WHALLEY BORN 1871 , LANCASHIRE I BELIEVE HABERGHAM, he came to canada( winnipeg ) 1906, i have the burial certificate for his wife from 1930, she died in montreal, and it says WIDOW of , I am not sure if my gr grandparents ever returned to england after 1906, tho i do know that my grandmother did, as i have the manifest for her return to canada in 1912, and my aunt was married in 1913 in bolton , i have searched free bmd and lancashire bmd for his death but the dates dont match up, they do not appear on the canada 1906 or 1911 census either, the manifest for 1912 ( my grandmothers) stated that she had been to canada befor for 3 years. I would like to know if my gr grand dad died in the uk or canada,his parents were HENRY AND GRACE WHALLEY NEE HELLENS

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR READING THIS LONG POST, FORGIVE ME !

KIND REGARDS, BRENDA

Hi Brenda,
Were they ever soldiers/casualties in WW1. 1920 was quite usual to be demobbed.

Steve.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Brenda,

The free bmd dosnt cover all years as this is an on going project by volunteers, you would need to view the complete bmd index which you can online, there is findymypast which is a pay per view site, also Ancestry.co.uk
this is normally a pay per view site but there is a 14 day free trial which would enable you to view certain records which should include the full bmd index for England and Wales.

 

[brendaponting]

Hi and thank you for replying, I have no idea whether they were soliders in WW1, but it was a thought that had occured to me,,,,,,,,James, however was in Canada from 1913 to 1920, Im guessing he kinna ignored conscription redf)or missed it altogether ! What do you mean by demobbed? As for the 14 day free trial at ancestry,I ve tried that ,it still requires a credit card number, which I do not have.

 

[p.risboy]

Hi and thank you for replying, I have no idea whether they were soliders in WW1, but it was a thought that had occured to me,,,,,,,,James, however was in Canada from 1913 to 1920, Im guessing he kinna ignored conscription redf)or missed it altogether ! What do you mean by demobbed? As for the 14 day free trial at ancestry,I ve tried that ,it still requires a credit card number, which I do not have.

Hi Brenda,welcome
My Grandfather was conscripted for WW1, and never left the country. He worked with horses in peacetime, so potentially his services may been used at home for the war effort. Some of the older soldiers were used at home to let younger/unmarried/go off, or there were too many from one family already serving.
"Demobbed" (demobilized) is when you are dischared from the Army at the end of hostilities.
My Grandfather was 'demobbed', eventually in January 1920, and a lot of soldiers even later than that, as obviuosly there was still a lot to do after "victory".
I don't know if the same applied to other commonwealth countries.
But trying something different to locate relatives could pay off.

Regards, Steve.

 

[Karen Strother]

Hi Brenda
i looked on Ancestry for you and possibly found his arrival -
James Chadderton aged 29 born about 1891
Port of departure was Montreal Quebec Canada
Arrived Liverpool 6th November 1920
Shipping line was "White Star Line"
Ship name was "Canada", official number was 106806
Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 675; Item: 35
I don't know if you wanted or already have this information? If I can look anything up on Ancestry for you please let me know.

Hi and thank you for replying, I have no idea whether they were soliders in WW1, but it was a thought that had occured to me,,,,,,,,James, however was in Canada from 1913 to 1920, Im guessing he kinna ignored conscription redf)or missed it altogether ! What do you mean by demobbed? As for the 14 day free trial at ancestry,I ve tried that ,it still requires a credit card number, which I do not have.

 

[brendaponting]

Dear Karen,
Thank you so much for replying, and yes i do have that info, as much as I would like to believe this is my grandfather, the occupation listed leaves me filled with doubt, as every other document that I have lists his occupation as a spinner, whereas the manifest you mentioned says ship builder, I suppose that it is possible that during his years here in Montreal he learned the trade to support his family. I have spent countless hours doing research and trying to find more info on my family, and though I have made much progress, i still know little about my grandfather , I have actually got to the point where I have given up , but have now decided to try again.