national tutors

[popsit]

Hello,
I am researching Kirby and you may have seen me in the births forum. What I would like to ask please.

I have a Joseph Kirby in the 1841 census with his family. His occupation is National Tutor. His two daughters are infant tutors. I found him in the UK city and county directories 1600-1900 under Acadamies and schools as a master of a national school in Northwold-Mundford. I guess master means headmaster. My query is:

Would he have had to do an apprenticeship, how would he have got to be a headmaster. What records would I possibly find him in if he had to register.His daughters were aged 20 and 15 in 1841, how would they go about becoming infant tutors, would they be sort of teacher aids. I would like to find out about any registers for Joseph as I am hoping if he had to fill any papers out they may have mentioned parents.How did one become a national tutor by 1841 if that person was born approx. 1760-1790. Hope I haven't asked to many questions all at once. All help and advice much appreciated. Thank you


Carol Orr/NZ

 

[Ellie7]

Never brought in Teaching qualifications until 1846/8

Ellie

Edit-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_education_in_England#18th_century

 

[popsit]

Never brought in Teaching qualifications until 1846/8

Ellie

Edit-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_education_in_England#18th_century

????? can I ask then, what does National schoolmaster actually mean. My ancestors son in the 1851 census aged 40 is down as a National schoolmaster also like his father was. It sounds important but were they just teachers. Would the son have had to register and are there records somewhere for him registering, if he had to.
Back in the 1841 census the two daughters and sisters of the son above were 20 years old and fifteen years, both were infant tutors, how does one become a tutor at aged fifteen. Most of the family became tutors, it sounds like you were able to just start teaching perhaps because you were a little more intelligent.

Carol/NZ
intelligent.

 

[popsit]

????? can I ask then, what does National schoolmaster actually mean. My ancestors son in the 1851 census aged 40 is down as a National schoolmaster also like his father was. It sounds important but were they just teachers. Would the son have had to register and are there records somewhere for him registering, if he had to.
Back in the 1841 census the two daughters and sisters of the son above were 20 years old and fifteen years, both were infant tutors, how does one become a tutor at aged fifteen. Most of the family became tutors, it sounds like you were able to just start teaching perhaps because you were a little more intelligent.

Carol/NZ
intelligent.

Please ignore have been to Wikipedia. Things might now be unravelling. Have another query now on a printout from country apprentices 1710-1808 transcription. Will be back.

Carol/NZ

 

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for Ellie,
Thanks lots for the info you gave me re apprentices etc. I went digging to national archives and find my past and found that my joseph Kirby had taken on an apprentice in 1779.This Joseph was a master and his occupation was a STAYMAKER (corset maker), so the apprentice he took on would have been learning how to make corsets. I have a printout of the year he registered (the apprentice, his name, where the registration took place. I an pretty sure this joseph is mine as the apprentice he took on was a Richard East. Further on in time (1800s) Henry Kirby born 1811 (the joseph above was his grandfather or father, something I have to work out) married in 1832 and had a son in 1839 and he named him Richard East Kirby. There has to be a connection there surely. This baby died in 1840. It seems as if he was named after this apprentice.
Would I be right in thinking that because my Joseph was a master and worked in a national school it wouldn't necessarily mean he was teaching normal school studies but teaching staymaking.
I feel like you gave me a little thread which I picked at and inched maybe a smidgen along. Buzz of the week.


Carol/NZ