Need death date for ggrandfather

[maralee18]

Need death date for ggrandfather John Hammond

John Hammond b:30Nov1842 - married Margaret Miller 26Dec1864 had 10 children in Donegal, Ireland. Things were hard then.

Margaret sent her children by two at a time to America. She took her youngest w/her when she emigrated in 1902. She left two sons behind in an orphanage or working for a farmer - I've heard both stories. I'd like to find out if John was still alive while all of this was going on.

Have a hand-written 5 page letter frm son of the one who worked the farm (the farmer left the farm to him, he married & had 5 children (incl. the Rev.who wrote this letter) stating his father died in 1964 not knowing he had an actual family - & that they were living in America.

I have a hand-drawn family tree (75 or 80 yrs old) & Margaret is incorporated into the trunk of the tree, pink sites for women & blue for men. John's name is barely visible its so small. It states he was born in 1842 & "died & burried in Donegal." Would like to learn more abt him.

 

[gibbo]

I guess the first thing would be to try and find when John died.

Do you when the last child was born?

 

[maralee18]

Yes - I'm trying to learn when John Hammond died.

His last child was Rebecca Hammond 1888-1951. Margaret took her to America when she was 14 yrs old. They were the last to emigrate.

 

[gibbo]

So his death would have been between 1888 and 1902. Im assuming 1902 as if he was still alive then one would think he would have gone with them

Have you seen this site, im not sure what its like but could be worth a look.

http://www.donegal.rootsireland.ie/

Just a thought but has Margaret been found on a census in America? If so would it state if she was a widow or not?

 

[maralee18]

I'm not assuming John died before 1902 when Margaret took the last of her 8 children to America. She started sending them in 1895.

In my ongoing search & note taking, came across this piece of research: John Hammond died 1909 in Shankill Co. Belfast City, Antrin. I attempted to confirm this on the site you referred me to. Listing of Armagh churches & cemetaries. I know my ggrandfather was not Catholic. I've seen mention made to Presbyterian and/or Methodist. Would you be able to verify that?

Good suggestion you made to check U.S. Census - but emigrating in 1902, she was not available for the 1900 Census & died in 1909 so wouldn't be in the 1910 Census. I attempted to see your Ireland Census in the latter part of
19th century but was unsuccessful. This is a very sharp learning curve to learn
how to navigate your site for me - but I'm trying to learn. Sorry if I make mis-
takes.

I believe this family had their burdens. My 93 yr old half-sister lived w/Frannie
(the first born daughter 1870 who was our grandmother) for 2 years 80 yrs ago
Said she remembers asking questions abt Ireland & Fannie DID NOT want to talk abt it at all.

I'm the last member of my immediate family. I hope to bring this Hammond
family (my mothers) together at least on my tree. Any suggestions of help
you can give me in that endeavor will be greatly appreciated.redf)

 

[maralee18]

Thank you for your referral to donegal.rootsireland.ie/ I entered "John Hammond
died 1909 Shankill Co Belfast City, Antrin" They did confirm they had that entry
but I have to pay a fee to actually look at the record. I'd be happy to do that if
I had assurance that I would know what age he was, or if his birth year was
1842. But of course, I don't have that. There seemed to be so many John Hammonds in Ireland.

I'd be grateful for any advice you can give me on where to go frm here. I'm still pursuing the search by phone calls, emails, anything I can t
ink of.

Thank you for your consideration.

 

[gibbo]

Can someone who has more knowledge of Ireland help us with this please.
Im not sure what or where to suggest to go next and i dont want to give the wrong advice

 

[maralee18]

Thank you for responding. I know you're trying to help me. I hope we get a response to your request for help.

One more thg that troubles me is the myth that seems to have been perpetuated. In letters frm Ireland & fam members I've spoken to via text, email
etc. it's always the same scenario: Margaret scrimped & saved (I don't know how) to take her & 8 of her 10 children to America. She left the two youngest babies in orphanage or one w/a tennent farmer. Later, it states she took the youngest, Rebecca who was 14, with her in 1902. The 2 males left behind were not babies; the 15 yr old went to work for the farmer (who was his "legal guardian" & the other was 22 yrs & went to live in Scotland. She supposedly sent money to the farmer to "pay for son's passage to US", but he unscrupulously kept the money for himself & the boy never knew. This same farmer was the one who willed the farm to the boy in later yrs. which seems a generous thing to do. Not only that, according to the boy's son in the letter I have, he says Matt(the boyleft behind) made his way to US (how??) where he drove one of the first motor cars in Boston. Lived there awhile but went back to Ireland. Matt's son says his dad died in 1974 without knowing he had a family or that they were in America.Why wouldn't a 15 yr old boy remember his family??! And where was John when all this was going on.

I understand Donegal was a very poor district abt this time. Another part of the story is that John died a young man. Then why isn't his death noted. Burried inDonegal" is all I've ever seen - never a death date. Margaret may have left him,taken the children (but not all). I do have the name of John's father. It is Andrew Hammond. I do hope to put this family back together - at least on a tree.

 

[maralee18]

Found more bits of info on John Hammond today.

In the 1901 Census of Ireland 1901, I found a John Hammond, 59 yrs (right age),
grocer, head of family, not married (Marg. left 1901 - not 1902 I discovered frm another source). Curious that he sees himself H of F when he has no family.

Don't know if he's the ONE - but it seems possible. Also checking out the
Griffith's Valuation which has John & Andrew (his father) in the numbers. Trying to make some sense of all this. The 1958 date would brg my John to 16 yrs.

Hope someone can help me find direction in all this. Appreciate any help!!!!!

 

[p.risboy]

I found this, not sure if he's yours though.

John Hammond
Birth Year: abt 1840
Date of Reg - Jan-Feb-Mar 1922
Death Age: 82
Reg dist.- Donegal
Ireland.
Volume - 2
Page - 11

And this...... age is a bit out.?

John Hammond
abt 1849
Jul-Aug-Sep 1909
Death Age: 60
Reg dist - Lisburn
Ireland
Volume: 1
Page: 412

To verify his faith, maybe you need to order this marriage cert.

John Hammond
1864
Reg dist - Donegal
Volume - 17
Page - 52


Steve.

 

[leefer]

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/l/a/Tina-M-Glass-oh/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0029.html

Nice photo on here.....is it your Margaret Miller?....the marriage looks right....just wondering if you had seen the pic.......good luck with your research.

Edit.....there is a contact email on the top of the page(homepage)....assuming you have not been in contact already!