Newberys 1800's Hampton Court england

[Boomer90]

New to this site. Researching John & Sarah Newington Giles NEWBERY. Read online it was an interesting romantic tale how he acquired wealth as told to his son Frederick William.
Can anyone elaborate?

 

[horse]

Hi

Welcome to the site.

Good luck with your research.

Geoff

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hello

Welcome to the site, hope you find what you are looking for

Amanda

 

[Ladybird1300]

Looks like our Dave has been researching this family:

http://www.forum.familyhistory.uk.com/showthread.php?t=13553


Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to the Forum.


I have been Amanda, but there are many gaps and some brick walls. Not all the strories handed down have proved to be true. I don't know how the family acquired their wealth. They certainly had a lot of land and buildings. There are others in Australia also researching the family.

Frederick William is a grandson.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Here is a bit of info

Description Will of John Newbery, late Maltster and Corn and Coal Merchant of Hampton, Middlesex
Date 22 November 1832
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1808

John Newbery left the land and premises on the western end of the property on the north of the Green to his wife, Sarah. After her death, it was to be passed on to his two unmarried daughters, Mary and Barbara. The property on the east side, a “newly erected tenement…with the yard, garden, coach house, stables, outbuildings and offices”, he left to his daughter, Sarah Bachelor Swalling, and granddaughter, Mary Anne Kensett Slade.

Three other properties were given to his remaining three children. He left a Tenement and Malthouse across the river, at Kingston upon Thames in the county of Surrey, to his oldest son, Thomas Newington Newbery (the ancestor of Elizabeth).

John Newbery had built five cottages on land in the Hampton parish known as “Four Hills”; he left this land, with its “cottages, outbuildings, offices and yard gardens” to his son, James Newbery.
He left another Malthouse, outbuilding and yards “in the hamlet of Hampton Court” to his daughter, Deborah.

The will of John Newbery (signed on 12 October 1832) establishes that he was an exceptionally wealthy man for his time. How he came by this fortune is the subject of a romantic and interesting tale that was passed down to Elizabeth’s great great grandfather, Frederick William Newbery, presumably by his father, Thomas Newington Newbery, eldest son of John Newbery.

The tale is told in the following letter, written by Frederick William Newbery on 26 May 1887. The letter was subsequently transcribed by Frederick’s great grandson, Eric William Newbery, in 1980.

 

[Boomer90]

good morning...Thank you all so much but can I ask is there actual record of this letter written by Frederick William NEWBERY 26 May 1887?
I do so appreciate this.
and I do also want to ask descendants of John & Sarah NEWBERY the son James had a son James John NEWBERY who married Florence Feron (Kelly) NEWBERY in 1867 they had 14 children I cannot find one...Aline Winifred NEWBERY born in France died in 1888 in England buried in England...Florence Jane, James Charles, Thomas Brewer, Inez Elizabeth, Grace Emily, Archibald S., Howard, Barbara Clara, Edgar John, Ada, Harold, Constance...any hints?

 

[DaveHam9]

I have not seen a copy of the letter nor do I know where Eric William fits in the tree.

Re James J. son of James, I have not traced him beyond 1861:

1851
HO107 Piece 1604 Folio 233 Page ?
Civil Parish: Hampton
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Kingston
Address:
James Newbery Head Mar 69 Holder of Cottage property Hampton Middlesex
Sarah Newbery Wife Mar 35 Hanworth Middlesex
James Newbery son 7 Hampton Middlesex
Barbara Newbery dau 5 Hampton Middlesex
Sarah Newbery dau 3 Hampton Middlesex

1861
RG9 Piece 458 Folio 36 Page 19
Civil Parish: Hampton
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Kingston
Address: Upper New St, Hampton
Sarah Newbery 41
James J Newbery 17 Clerk in Printing Office
Barbara Newbery 15
Sarah J Newbery 13


My line is Thomas Newington b. 26 Feb 1786.

We will try and trace Aline Winifred.

Dave

 

[horse]

Aline Winifred Newbery
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 7
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
V 3a, P 108

Geoff

 

[Boomer90]

My husband is from James NEWBERY line ...DaveHam you are from Thomas Newington NEWBERY line the oldest son of John & Sarah Newington (Giles) NEWBERY brother of James? ..I did some searching on Frederick Thomas born in Australia to Frederick William. F.T. NEWBERY came to San Francisco with wife Jane and never left...did maps of Railroads and maps of San Francisco. F.T. NEWBERY would be my husband's grandfather's second cousin. F.T. had no descendants. Lived there and must have experienced the earthquake and great fire in 1906!
I have obit on James John NEWBERY he brought his family to America.
Thank you Horse regarding Aline Winifred I do have in our possession a Memorial card with where she was born in France and where she is buried in England.
Two daughters Florence Jane married Percy Joseph Cooper and Inez Elizabeth married Sidney Hunt Cooper and remained in England. Howard NEWBERY married the sister of Percy and Sidney, Florence Ann Cooper. Howard and Florence stayed in America. So if I can be of help I am willing.....

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, Thomas Newington, third child and eldest son.


Bap V183946 23A/1839 NEWBURY FREDERICK T - FREDERICK W - SARAH

Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of Saint Philip, Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1839
No. 46 When Baptised: 24 Feby. 1839 When Born: 29 Jany. 1839 Fredk. Thomas son of Fredk. Willm. & Sarah Newbury Abode: Clyde Steet Sydney Quality or Profession: Tailor By whom the ceremony was performed: William Cowper


I've not done much on F.T. after he left NSW. I have nothing after the 1880 census so thanks for telling me he lived a lot longer.

Marriage 1862/1863 NEWBERY FREDERICK THOMAS - BEARDMORE JAMES - GOULBURN

An error in the index with James instead of Jane.

Frederick Thomas Newbery Bachelor NSW Land Surveyor 24 yrs Goulburn Goulburn Frederick William Newbery Sarah Brown Tailor
Jane Beardmore Spinster England - 22 yrs Goulburn Goulburn Isaac Beardmore Margaret Borrowman Farmer
3 March 1863 Wesleyan Chapel Goulburn By me Benjamin Chapman
Both signed
Witnesses signed [can't read the names]

 

[Boomer90]

Please note regarding Frederick Thomas Newbery ..arrived in san francisco
1869...is listed in numerous city directories and on census records last one 1910 than on 1920 census his wife Jane is a widow no descendants for this couple.
So they never left San Francisco from my search. He was a civil engineer, mechanical engineer according to his business card in our possession.

 

[Boomer90]

Regarding John & Sarah Newbery does anyone know their ancestry?
Is Sarah's maiden name Newington or Giles? Was she from Newington?
How many children did they have and birth order? Thank you.

 

[horse]

This may help clear up Sarah's middle name..

London and Surrey, England, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1597-1921
John Newbery
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1761
Event Date: 29 Apr 1782
Parish: Hampton
County: Middlesex
Spouse: Sarah Newington Giles
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Parish: Hampton
Event Type: Allegation
Reference Number: MS10091/148

Geoff

 

[horse]

Also this..

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
John Newbery
[User-submitted-comment]
Spouse: Sarah Lewington Giles
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Apr 1782
Parish: St Mary, Hampton
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Parish Register

User submission = Confirms John Newbery. Sarah's middle name confirmed as Newington from "Gravestone info".

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Page 79
No. 315
John Newbery of this Parish Bachelor and
Sarah Newington Giles of this Parish Spinster
were married in this Church by Licence
this Thirtieth Day of April 1782 by me D. Chandler, Lecturer
Both signed
Witnesses: Thos. Russell, Thos. Giles

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
Name: Sarah Newbery
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 7 Jun 1843
Age: 86
Death Date: 7 Jun 1843
Parish: St Mary, Hampton
Borough: Richmond Upon Thames
County: Surrey
Abode: Hampton Wick

 

[DaveHam9]

The Morning Post (London, England), Thursday, December 01, 1825; pg. [1]; Issue 17145.
Multiple Advertisements and Notices .
ALL Persons having CLAIMS on the ESTATE of the late Mr. JOHN NOST, of the Lord Chamberlain's Office, St James's Palace, deceased, are hereby directed to apply to Mr. John Newbery, Hampton Court, Middlesex, (one of his Executors), and those who are indebted to the Estate are requested to discharge the same immediately.

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't know if this is the full list of children or if the dates have been read correctly off the images. I've not seen any of the images.

Baptism - Sarah Batchelor - Daughter of John & Sarah Newington Newbury - 14 May 1783 - Parish St Mary Hampton - Born 16 April

Mary Giles Newbury 13 Oct 1784 - St Mary Hampton - Richmond Upon Thames - Daughter of John and Sarah Newington Newbury - born ?

Baptism - Thomas Newington Newbury - 22 Mar 1786 - Parish St Mary Hampton - Born 26 Feb

Baptism - James Newberry - 10 Aug 1787 - Parish St Mary Hampton - Born 18 July

Baptism - Deborah Newberry - 21 Jun 1789 - Parish St Mary Hampton - Born 25 May

Baptism - John Gustaovs? Newbury - 29 Apr 1791 [not very clear] - Parish St Mary Hampton - Born 6 April

Baptisms - Robert and Barbara Newbery (twins) -21 Jan 1794 - Parish St Mary Hampton - Born 20 Jan

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't know Sarah's pob. Not born Middlesex

The name GILES is fairly common in London. I'd look for a GILES & NEWINGTON marriage. I can't see one. Age at death points to abt 1757. There is this to consider:

County Surrey
Place Chertsey
Church St. Peter
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 12 Jun 1757
Forename Sarah
*** F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Sarah
FatherSurname GILES
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 30790

 

[DaveHam9]

1841
Clarence Place Hampton Wick
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Kingston
Sarah Newbury 80 Independent not born in county
John Kensett 50 not born in county
Mary Niton 25 female servant born in county

1841
Civil Parish: Hampton
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Kingston
Sarah Rolfe 25 Middlesex


I'd like census refs thanks.

Dave