Norah Lloyd-Naisby New Zealand

[chrismon]

Norah Lloyd (mother Norah Clear Father Richard Kenna ) was my Grandmother. Her death certificate states she was born Naisby New Zealand.circa 1876. Informant was her son who she lived with at the time of her death at 10 Springfield Avenue Potts Point Sydney Aust.on the 3rd February 1945 Does anyone have information about this woman & her family at the time they spent in N.Z.How many years did she spend in N.Z.? She was married in Walgett in 1895 to Alfred John Clarence Lloyd aged 20 years
Children Norah 1896 John 1898 Norman 1901 Alfred 1901 Lucy M 1905 Norman 1906 Chrismon

 

[gibbo]

Norah Lloyd (mother Norah Clear Father Richard Kenna ) was my Grandmother. Her death certificate states she was born Naisby New Zealand.circa 1876. Informant was her son who she lived with at the time of her death at 10 Springfield Avenue Potts Point Sydney Aust.on the 3rd February 1945 Does anyone have information about this woman & her family at the time they spent in N.Z.How many years did she spend in N.Z.? She was married in Walgett in 1895 to Alfred John Clarence Lloyd aged 20 years
Children Norah 1896 John 1898 Norman 1901 Alfred 1901 Lucy M 1905 Norman 1906 Chrismon

Hi Chris,
Have you Norah and Alfred's marriage cert. some australian marriage cert. can have some good info on them and from your post i gather you dont know when they arrived in Australia, if this is so some marriage cert. also state how long they have been here for hence you will know exactly what years to look for in New Zealand.

Just for interest sake there is a index for a WW2 army record for

LLOYD ALFRED : Service Number - N219130 : Date of birth - 19 May 1902 : Place of birth - WALGETT NSW : Place of enlistment - WAVERLEY PARK NSW : Next of Kin - LLOYD NORAH

The service record itself isnt on line but if you were interested you can contact the australian archives and they will let you know what you would have to do to obtain a copy.

gibbo

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

This gives some idea of when they left NZ:

Marriage 1 Hanoria CLEAR b: 1845 in KIK IRL

* Married: 16 NOV 1862 in at Catholic School, Chiltern VIC AUS


Children

1. Catherine KENNA b: 1863 in Dunedin NZL
2. Richard R KENNA b: 1864 in Dunstone Creek NZL
3. Martin KENNA b: 1865 in South Island Goldfields NZL
4. Norah KENNA b: ABT 1867 in South Island Goldfields NZL
5. William KENNA b: 1868 in South Island Goldfields NZL
6. Johanna KENNA b: 1876 in Albury NSW AUS
7. Bridget KENNA b: 1877 in Albury NSW AUS
8. Lucy A KENNA b: 1883 in Albury NSW AUS
9. Margaret Ellen KENNA b: 15 MAY 1887 in Brocklesby NSW AUS
10. Michael Clear KENNA b: 15 MAY 1887 in Brocklesby NSW AUS

Only Catherine's birth seems to have been registered.

Regards,

Dave

 

[chrismon]

Hi Chris,
Have you Norah and Alfred's marriage cert. some australian marriage cert. can have some good info on them and from your post i gather you dont know when they arrived in Australia, if this is so some marriage cert. also state how long they have been here for hence you will know exactly what years to look for in New Zealand.

Just for interest sake there is a index for a WW2 army record for

LLOYD ALFRED : Service Number - N219130 : Date of birth - 19 May 1902 : Place of birth - WALGETT NSW : Place of enlistment - WAVERLEY PARK NSW : Next of Kin - LLOYD NORAH

The service record itself isnt on line but if you were interested you can contact the australian archives and they will let you know what you would have to do to obtain a copy.

gibbo

great to hear from you again Gibbo.I,ll send for marriage cert tomorrow.Alf Lloyd was my uncle .Do you think there will be much info on his service record? If so I,ll order that too.He never married & looked after Norah till she died.I have a death transcription cert for Norah,s mother as follows.

Norah Kenna died 11th Aug 1929
Place Walgett N.S.W
Age 83 yrs
Father William Clear
Mother Farrell no other names
Informant Matron at hospital ?
Buried Walgett R.C.Cemetery
Birth place Ireland
Time in Aust 78 yrs N.S.W.& Vic
Married Victoria
Age 16 yrs ( that makes birth 1846*marriage 1862*)
Spouse Richard Kenna

Children of marriage Richard 65yrs
Maria 62 "
William 60 "
Martin 58 "
Norah 53 "
Lucy 48 "
John P 44 "
Margaret 43 " * I think these last two were
Michael Clear 40 "* twins so ages aren,t exact
two males & two females deceased

Are you able to view Davehams comment I just noticed what look like exciting info. from him . Hope this updates the NORAHS See you later & thanks. Chris

 

[chrismon]

Hello,

This gives some idea of when they left NZ:

Marriage 1 Hanoria CLEAR b: 1845 in KIK IRL

* Married: 16 NOV 1862 in at Catholic School, Chiltern VIC AUS


Children

1. Catherine KENNA b: 1863 in Dunedin NZL
2. Richard R KENNA b: 1864 in Dunstone Creek NZL
3. Martin KENNA b: 1865 in South Island Goldfields NZL
4. Norah KENNA b: ABT 1867 in South Island Goldfields NZL
5. William KENNA b: 1868 in South Island Goldfields NZL
6. Johanna KENNA b: 1876 in Albury NSW AUS
7. Bridget KENNA b: 1877 in Albury NSW AUS
8. Lucy A KENNA b: 1883 in Albury NSW AUS
9. Margaret Ellen KENNA b: 15 MAY 1887 in Brocklesby NSW AUS
10. Michael Clear KENNA b: 15 MAY 1887 in Brocklesby NSW AUS

Only Catherine's birth seems to have been registered.

Regards,

Dave

Hello DaveHam , How good are you & how do you find such great info? This is them all right . Sometimes I feel as though I,m wandering around in a fog & then the sun comes out.Thank you.Some of the Children are different my list


Richard 1864 two males & two females deceased
Maria 1867*
William 1869 I don,t have a Catherine Johanna or Bridget
Martin 1871* You don,t have John P or Maria
Norah 1876
Lucy 1881* What is KIK short for?
John P 1885* I see some were born on the goldfields We
Margaret 1887 Were they miners?
Michael Clear 1887 Would they have come from Ire.to N.Z
Do you know where Richard came from
I have Norah,s death transcription .Let me know if you want me to type it . out Thanks again Chris

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Chris,

Just putting my beak in.

I think it maybe KILKENNY, IRELAND.

But Dave will confirm this or not.

Steve.

 

[chrismon]

Hello DaveHam , How good are you & how do you find such great info? This is them all right . Sometimes I feel as though I,m wandering around in a fog & then the sun comes out.Thank you.Some of the Children are different my list


Richard 1864 two males & two females deceased
Maria 1867*
William 1869 I don,t have a Catherine Johanna or Bridget
Martin 1871* You don,t have John P or Maria
Norah 1876
Lucy 1881* What is KIK short for?
John P 1885* I see some were born on the goldfields We
Margaret 1887 Were they miners?
Michael Clear 1887 Would they have come from Ire.to N.Z
Do you know where Richard came from





I have Norah,s death transcription .Let me know if you want me to type it . out Thanks again Chris

Just reread you info & realised that norah was married in Vic Cheers

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Yes, Kilkenny in Ireland. I believe they had 14 children so that would explain why there are names not in that list of 10.

Richard b. abt 1832 Kilkenny, IRL d. 20 Aug 1892

13120/1892 KENNA RICHARD PATRICK UNKNOWN WALGETT

Father: Patrick KENNA b. 1804 KIK IRL
Mother: Johanna MULHALL b: Abt 1806 in KIK IRL

Hanoria CLEAR b. abt 1846 in KIK IRL d. 11 Aug 1929

17346/1929 KENNA NORAH WILLIAM(83 YRS WALGETT) (-FARRELL) WALGETT

I can't see Richard yet in shipping records.

Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871
CLEAR ANNE 4 JAN 1853 TIME AND TRUTH 10 26
CLEAR HONORIA 30 JAN 1853 TIME AND TRUTH 10 26
CLEAR HONORIA 6 JAN 1853 TIME AND TRUTH 10 26
CLEAR JOHN 1 JAN 1853 TIME AND TRUTH 10 26
CLEAR WILLIAM 29 JAN 1853 TIME AND TRUTH 10 26

I'll keep looking for Richard.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871
KINNA BRIDGET 3 JAN 1854 BOOMERANG 9 330
KINNA CATHERINE 17 JAN 1854 BOOMERANG 9 338
KINNA JAMES 8 JAN 1854 BOOMERANG 9 330
KINNA JULIA 42 JAN 1854 BOOMERANG 9 330
KINNA MARTIN 16 JAN 1854 BOOMERANG 9 335
KINNA MARY 13 JAN 1854 BOOMERANG 9 330
KINNA NANCY 11 JAN 1854 BOOMERANG 9 330
KINNA PATRICK 44 JAN 1854 BOOMERANG 9 330
KINNA RICHARD 21 JAN 1854 BOOMERANG 9 335

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

2 matches for the search criteria: kenna patrick 1824-1828
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Kenna Patrick 1826 Co. Kilkenny
Church Marriage Kenna Patrick 1825 Co. Kilkenny

1 match for the search criteria: mulhall judith 1824-1828
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Mulhall Judith 1825 Co. Kilkenny

Addition:

1 match for the search criteria: kenna patrick 1825 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Kenna Patrick 1825 Co. Kilkenny

1 match for the search criteria: mulhall judith 1825 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Mulhall Judith 1825 Co. Kilkenny

==============
1 match for the search criteria: clear william 1843 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Clear William 1843 Co. Kilkenny

1 match for the search criteria: farrell honor 1843 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Farrell Honor 1843 Co. Kilkenny

=============
With father = William
1 match for the search criteria: clear honor 1845 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Baptism Clear Honor 1845 Co. Kilkenny


I can't find Richard's baptism in Kilkenny 1832 +/- 5 years.

John was the first born and there is no sign of his baptism either. The one born after Richard is this one:

father= Patrick
1 match for the search criteria: kenna (plus variants) catherine 1833 Parish: CONAHY (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Baptism Kenna Catherine 1833 Co. Kilkenny

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Hi Chris,
Good info that Dave found for you :biggrin:

With the army records for your uncle i think its the National Archives of Australia that you have to contact with it WW2 they are not online and have to be applied for.

I found this

Walgett R C Cemetery
Monumental section: Plot 56
Name: KENNA Nora
Death 1929
Denomination: Roman Catholic


Dave had a Johanna KENNA b: 1876 in Albury NSW AUS .... this maybe yours??
http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=5133756

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Chris & gibbo,

It fits for sure:

24689/1951 KENNA JOHANNA RICHARD NORA TAMWORTH

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Hello Chris & gibbo,

It fits for sure:

24689/1951 KENNA JOHANNA RICHARD NORA TAMWORTH

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave,
Well i think Chris will be busy for a while with the info you gave her :2fun:
I tried finding a picture of Norah Kenna in the Walgett cemetery but they didnt have any just the info. I like pictures
Johanna obviously never married as been a Kenna when she died.

 

[chrismon]

Hi Chris,

Just putting my beak in.

I think it maybe KILKENNY, IRELAND.

But Dave will confirm this or not.

Steve.

Hi Steve just to say thanks for the support . you all make a great team cheers Chris

 

[chrismon]

Hello,

2 matches for the search criteria: kenna patrick 1824-1828
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Kenna Patrick 1826 Co. Kilkenny
Church Marriage Kenna Patrick 1825 Co. Kilkenny

1 match for the search criteria: mulhall judith 1824-1828
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Mulhall Judith 1825 Co. Kilkenny

Addition:

1 match for the search criteria: kenna patrick 1825 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Kenna Patrick 1825 Co. Kilkenny

1 match for the search criteria: mulhall judith 1825 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Mulhall Judith 1825 Co. Kilkenny

==============
1 match for the search criteria: clear william 1843 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Clear William 1843 Co. Kilkenny

1 match for the search criteria: farrell honor 1843 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Marriage Farrell Honor 1843 Co. Kilkenny

=============
With father = William
1 match for the search criteria: clear honor 1845 Parish: MUCKALEE (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Baptism Clear Honor 1845 Co. Kilkenny


I can't find Richard's baptism in Kilkenny 1832 +/- 5 years.

John was the first born and there is no sign of his baptism either. The one born after Richard is this one:

father= Patrick
1 match for the search criteria: kenna (plus variants) catherine 1833 Parish: CONAHY (RC)
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Baptism Kenna Catherine 1833 Co. Kilkenny

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave, all I can say is WOW!!! You have been so busy did you get any sleep ? I can,t get over what a great team you all make .I,m going to have to eat more brain food to absorb all this info. Good excuse for having bacon & eggs for breakfast Wish you could join me .Thanks for making it so easy to find my family. I,ts great getting to know them Catch you later Chris:kissu:

 

[chrismon]

Hi Chris,
Good info that Dave found for you :biggrin:

With the army records for your uncle i think its the National Archives of Australia that you have to contact with it WW2 they are not online and have to be applied for.

I found this

Walgett R C Cemetery
Monumental section: Plot 56
Name: KENNA Nora
Death 1929
Denomination: Roman Catholic

Dave had a Johanna KENNA b: 1876 in Albury NSW AUS .... this maybe yours??
http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=5133756

Hi Gibbo thanks heaps for your input. Hasn,t Dave excelled himself.I,m going to curl up & absorb all this & sort out just what certs I have to send for .Did you manage to find free bmd,s for Vic yet I noticed when I went into coraweb today to see what is on BMDS ,I found Graham Journay,s site has free S.A databases didn,t go any further at this stage see you later Chris

 

[gibbo]

Hi Gibbo thanks heaps for your input. Hasn,t Dave excelled himself.I,m going to curl up & absorb all this & sort out just what certs I have to send for .Did you manage to find free bmd,s for Vic yet I noticed when I went into coraweb today to see what is on BMDS ,I found Graham Journay,s site has free S.A databases didn,t go any further at this stage see you later Chris

Hi Chris,
Yep Dave did a brilliant job :biggrin: No i havent found a free BMD for Vic as yet I will go and check out the Graham site you mentioned and have a sticky.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Chris & gibbo,

I don't know of a free Victorian BMD site but if you have Vic. or SA queries I can get a contact to do the look ups usually within 24 hours.

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Hello Chris & gibbo,

I don't know of a free Victorian BMD site but if you have Vic. or SA queries I can get a contact to do the look ups usually within 24 hours.

Regards,

Dave

Thank you Dave.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Chris & gibbo,

Found a bit more - no mention of spouse:

Index to Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK, NZ and Foreign Ports 1852-1901

This database is a searchable list of passengers travelling on ships leaving Victoria.

Family name Given name / title Age Ship name Departure month Departure year Destination Film Ref month Film Ref year Page
KENNA RICH 27 ALHAMBRA FEB 1863 OTAGO FEB 1863 007

Regards,

Dave