NORRIS & MAKEPEACE

[DaveHam9]

John NORRIS & Mary Anne BILSON
m. 3 Sep 1850 New Norfolk, Tas.

NSW Marriage 1765/1870 HERTEL ADAM FERDINAND - MAKEPEACE SUSANNAH KATE - BERRIMA

18 MARRIAGES Solemnized in the District of -
No. 98 Feb. 17th 1870 All Saints Church
Adam Ferdinand Hertel - Bachelor - Scharppendorf ? Saxony Germany - Farmer - 34 - Sutton Forest - John Adam Hertel & Christiana Trumpel - Farmer
Susannah Kate Makepeace - Spinster - Hobart Town Tasmania - - - 20 - Sutton Forest - John Makepeace & Mary Ann Belston - Farmer
Married in the Church of England Sutton Forest According to the order of the Book of Common Prayer
Parties signed: Adam Ferdinand Hertel, Susannah Kate her x mark Makepeace
Witnesses signed: ... ? Stagg, Jane Gibbs
By me J. H. L. Zillman Officiating Minister

NSW Marriage 1670/1872 HERTEL ROBERT - MAKEPEACE ELIZA - BERRIMA

18 MARRIAGES Solemnized in the District of -
No. - 20th March 1872 All Saints Church Sutton Forest
Robert Hertel - Bachelor - Saxony Germany - Farmer - 24 - Reedy Creek - John Adam Hertel & Christiana Frederica Trumpel - Farmer
Eliza Makepeace - Spinster - Sutton Forest - - - 17 - Sutton Forest - John Makepeace & Mary Ann Belson - Farmer
Married at All Saints Church Sutton Forest According to the rites of the Church of England
Parties signed: Robert Hertel, Eliza her x mark Makepeace
Witnesses signed: Robert Fyfe, Margaret Fyfe
By me H. Barker Officiating Minister


How/why does Norris become Makepeace?

Birth for Eliza ?

Deaths for John and Mary Ann, thanks.

 

[gibbo]

Birth for Eliza ?

MAKEPEACE ELIZA
3326/1856
JOHN
MARIANNE
BERRIMA

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I'm off now to the local library so back in three hours.

 

[gibbo]

Susannah birth in Tasmania in 1851 under Norris and then first one i can find in NSW is Eliza in 1856 under Makepeace.

 

[gibbo]

I can just see this one been one of those confusing ones

John Makepeace was in the Barrima area in 1842.

John Makepeace, of Berrima, settler

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2557135

Then 1858 he has a notice in the paper in regards to a Richard NORRIS

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28630971

 

[gibbo]

Deaths for John and Mary Ann, thanks.

MAKEPEACE MARY A
5565/1880
AGE 45 YEARS
DIED SUTTON FOREST
BERRIMA

MAKEPEACE JOHN
9048/1897
UNKNOWN
UNKNOWN
NEWTOWN
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14113316

Below notice of marriage for John makepeace jnr to Doherty. Above notice on the death of John snr mentions Doherty family.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/115456985
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[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Yes, we have looked previously.

Still can't find a reason for the name change.

 

[gibbo]

I found a reason for name change??
Did you know he was a convict?

Name: Makepeace, John
Record Type: Convicts
Ship: Waterlily
Remarks: In Conduct record see John Norris
Index number: 79837
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1414080

 

[gibbo]

Conduct records states his proper name is Makepeace

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON37-1-1$init=CON37-1-1p141

 

[gibbo]

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Thu 22 Sep 1842

John Norris" alias John Makepiece, found guilty of cattle stealing, was brought up for sentence.
He was sentenced to be transported for life.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12418848
.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Did not know.

 

[gibbo]

Then 1858 he has a notice in the paper in regards to a Richard NORRIS

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28630971

Could John's real name be Norris and alias Makepeace?? Just strange how the name Norris is mentioned in the above article so maybe his proper name was Norris and not Makepeace like the convict record stated??

Maybe the above Richard Norris was his father??

NORRIS RICHARD
2501/1859
AGE 92 YEARS
DIED BERRIMA
BERRIMA

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/228603186

 

[DaveHam9]

General Ordinary Waverley

FIRST NAME: JOHN
LAST NAME: MAKEPEACE
AGE: 79
BIRTH: -----
DEATH: -----
BURIAL: 1897-07-07
SITES: W-16-GE-OR-2596

 

[DaveHam9]

Not sure gibbo.

Born abt 1818.

Transported for life from NSW ?

 

[DaveHam9]

Something is a bit odd.

Name: Norris, John * Constable
Record Type: Marriages
Gender: Male
Age: Adult
Spouse: Bilson, Mary Anne
Gender: Female
Age: Adult
Date of marriage: 03 Sep 1850
Registered: New Norfolk
Registration year: 1850
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:841327
Resource: RGD37/1/9 no 819
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-9p339j2k

 

[DaveHam9]

In 1851 when Susannah was born John was a butcher.

https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-29-p770j2k

John Norris
formerly -

 

[DaveHam9]

Norris, John
Record Type: Convicts
Ship: Waterlily
Remarks: In Indent see John Makepeace
Index number: 53168
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1422690
Conduct Record: CON37/1/1 Page 132
Indent: CON16/1/2 Pages 6-7

https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/1422690

 

[DaveHam9]

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON37-1-1$init=CON37-1-1p141

Hard to read.

 

[gibbo]

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON37-1-1$init=CON37-1-1p141

Hard to read.

Yeah thats the link i posted in #9, in remarks is where is says his proper name is Makepeace. It is hard to read.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I missed that link.

So, transported from NSW to VDL.

Can't read or write but was appointed constable ?

The 1842 Ident has him Married.