Not having much luck

[potty]

In finding my GGprts Hanna Smart and Robert Salmon. I'm guessing they should be on the census around this time. Living in Yorkshire/possibly born there too. Can anyone help....

 

[p.risboy]

In finding my GGprts Hanna Smart and Robert Salmon. I'm guessing they should be on the census around this time. Living in Yorkshire/possibly born there too. Can anyone help....

Any ages, and p.o.b, to go with names Potty.

 

[gortonboy]

Hi,,,Do you have anything else that would help us,,,,do you have any of their childrens names and their years of birth. It may be easier for us to work back from your grandparents? what were thier names,,,when and where were they born. The more info you give the easier it will be for us to help......welcome to the forum by the way

 

[davelambert271]

Is this your family?

Jessie married Cyril - 1935 Wakefield

Jessie's parents Robert Salmon and Hannah Smart, married Jun qtr 1899 Birmingham ref 6d 111

Robert Salmon 1872 Smethwick
Hannah 1880 Birmingham
children
Stephen 1900 Smethwick
Ada 1902 Smethwick
Thomas 1904 Stourton, Leeds
Jessie 1908 Stourton, Leeds
Samuel 1910 Stourton, Leeds
living 29 Plevna St Stourton - a small cul-de-sac off Pontefract Road on the southern outskirts of Leeds

these are the census refs for the family. Let me know if it is the right family and you can't access them
1901 - RG13-2821-80-20 Robert Salmons 23, Hannah 20
1891 - RG12-2364-165-33 Stephen Salmon 39,, Hannah 38
1881 - RG11-2963-8-10 Stephen C Salmons 28 Maria 30
Possible marriage Charles Salmons to Maria James Jan qtr 1870 Aston 6d 315

1861 - RG9-2237-116-14 Charles 35,
1851 - HO107-2076-145-15 Charles 23 Mary 25
possible marriage Charles to Mary Courtis (Curtis) Dec qtr 1847 Shipton on Stour ref 11-573

 

[potty]

Is this your family?

Jessie married Cyril - 1935 Wakefield

Jessie's parents Robert Salmon and Hannah Smart, married Jun qtr 1899 Birmingham ref 6d 111

Robert Salmon 1872 Smethwick
Hannah 1880 Birmingham
children
Stephen 1900 Smethwick
Ada 1902 Smethwick
Thomas 1904 Stourton, Leeds
Jessie 1908 Stourton, Leeds
Samuel 1910 Stourton, Leeds
living 29 Plevna St Stourton - a small cul-de-sac off Pontefract Road on the southern outskirts of Leeds

these are the census refs for the family. Let me know if it is the right family and you can't access them
1901 - RG13-2821-80-20 Robert Salmons 23, Hannah 20
1891 - RG12-2364-165-33 Stephen Salmon 39, Maria 38
1881 - RG11-2963-8-10 Stephen C Salmons 28 Maria 30
Possible marriage Charles Salmons to Maria James Jan qtr 1870 Aston 6d 315

1861 - RG9-2237-116-14 Charles 35,
1851 - HO107-2076-145-15 Charles 23 Mary 25
possible marriage Charles to Mary Courtis (Curtis) Dec qtr 1847 Shipton on Stour ref 11-573

Yes this is my family, Jessie was my grandmother, I would love to know more about my ggrandmother and father, and there parents. Thank you sooo much.

 

[davelambert271]

Here's the mge cert for Cyril - click on it to enlarge

dave

 

[potty]

Thanks for the info, can you tell me how I can research this further, for free.
Many thanks
potty.

 

[duckweed]

http://www.yorkshireindexers.co.uk/forum/index.php

http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/

These are 2 useful sites for Leeds

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
You will have seen Cyril's father was named William. I am having trouble finding him as I don't have anything definite. He should be married to a lady named Daniel as that was Cyril's mother's maiden name. Cyril had a brother names Sydney born mar qtr 1916 but died Dec qtr 1916.
Cyril is on BMD as being born 1912, but on his mge cert he gave his age as 26, which gave a birth date of 1909.
I cannot trace any of these on the 1911 census.

There is a death for a William Huntington in Leeds in 1932, giving a birth date of 1869
Can you give any more info about William or his parents and siblings

dave

 

[davelambert271]

some more free sites

http://freebmd.org.uk/
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
https://www.familysearch.org/
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
(county?) on line Parish clerks
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/

your local library could give access to Ancestry, so it's worth enquiring there.

dave

 

[duckweed]

Birthdates are often inaccurate particularily if the man is younger than his wife he may make himself older. Or he may have lied earlier to an employer to get himself employed and the lie continues.

 

[potty]

Thank you for the info on Cyril's father I will hang on to that, but it is my gg mothers side I want, Hannah Smart born 1880. I have checked out the two sites but getting nowhere fast. I'm not very savy about pooters etc. So any help is a great help.

 

[davelambert271]

1891 England Census
Name: Hannah Amari
Reads Smart on the record
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Amari
Mother's Name: Ann Amari
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham
Address: Mapplebeck Buildings, Dugdale St, B'ham

Piece: 2396 Folio: 77 Page Number: 50

John Amari 56 Glous, Labourer
Ann Amari 55 Tewkesbury
Stephen Amari 16 Tube drawer, Smethwick
Chas Amari 14 B'ham, Case maker
Hannah Amari 11 B'ham

1881 England Census
Name: Hannah Smart
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Halam Smart
Mother's Name: Ann Smart
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 61 Peel St

Piece: 3008 Folio: 36 Page Number: 14

John Halam Smart 46 Worcester, Boat lab
Ann Smart 45 Tewkesbury
Sarah Ann Smart 22 Tewkesbury, dressmaker
Annie Smart 17 Bilston, Staffs
John Smart 14 B'ham, boat lab
Stephen Smart 6 B'ham
William Smart 4 B'ham
Charles Smart 3 B'ham
Hannah Smart 1 B'ham

dave

 

[davelambert271]

1901 England Census
Name: Hannah Salmons
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Salmons
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Smethwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Address: 85 Union St, Smethwick

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne

Piece: 2821 Folio: 80 Page Number: 20

Robert Salmons 23 Smethwick, Tube straightener
Hannah Salmons 20 B'ham
Stephen Salmons 1 Smethwick

dave

 

[davelambert271]

1871
Civil parish: Harborne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Smethwick
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Kings Norton
address: Harborne

Piece: 3086 Folio: 47 Page Number: 36

John Smart 35 Gloucestershire, Boatman
Ann Smart 34 Glous
Sarah A Smart 12 Glous
Ann Smart 6 Stafford
John Smart 3 Smethwick

dave

 

[potty]

Thank you so much for the help. I'm having trouble understanding where the name Amari fits in, do you know what this means. There are the same family, but why the name change? You have been most helpful. O0
Do the recoreds go further back and show who is the mother and farther of Ann Smart, and any history about them?

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
The name Amari is what the person who transcribed the records has read the name as, It is a poor image, and if you look at the record without hindsight you can see why. However because I know the name should be Smart, I can read that this is what it says. So the right name is Smart.

Also you have to remember that many people could not read or write so names were recorded as they sounded. If a person had an accent it explains why there are so many variations.

I'll have a look for John and Ann's parents...

dave

 

[davelambert271]

This info taken from a tree posted on a web site. (You will notice that on the 1881 census John has a 2nd name Halam) I cannot confirm any of this info is correct

1841 England Census

Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas

Piece: 379 Book: 9 Folio: 39 Page Number: 26

John Smart 30 Waterman (someone who makes his living on boats)
Mary Smart 30
Elam Smart 11 (age given as 11 but John Elam was born about 1837. Is this really John Halam?)
Moses 3
Abitha Smart 1

marriage - John Elam Smart to Ann Hathoway, 8th Nov 1857, Tipton, Dudley, Staffs ref 6c 157

marriage - John Smart born 1807 Stroud/ d 1874 to Mary Holder born 1814 Wooton under edge/ d 1888 - married 3rd Nov 1836 Saul, Gloucester
dave

death John H Smart 1911 aged 75, giving a birth date of 1836

edit
One of John Halam's children, John b 1868, had a daughter called Lily Hathoway Smart. (named after her G.mother?)

 

[potty]

Thanks for the trouble you've gone to to help me. I need to get it all on paper and get births and deth's etc down to see where I'm at. It's all very interesting finding one's history. Was there any indication of Ann Hathoway's birth and parentage on the records you found? Thanks dave.

Norma.

 

[davelambert271]

Hi,
Ann Hathaway 1838-1921 Tewkesbury

father Joseph Hathaway 1815-1874 Tewkesbury
mother Paulina Null, born: 1807 Twyning, Tewkesbury, Glos, England

G father Thomas Hathaway 1776- Glous
G mother Mary Roberts 1776- Deerhurst

g.g father William Roberts 1742-1823 Deerhurst
g.g father Mary Hampton 1747-1827 Deerhurst

Ann Hathoway Spouse & Children
spouse John Elam Smart
Sarah Ann Smart 1858
Annie Smart 1864
John Smart 1868 - 1932
Stephen Smart 1875
William Smart 1877
Charles Smart 1878
Hannah Smart 1880
Siblings
George Hathaway 1833 - 1886
Charles Hathaway 1840

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1851 England Census

Civil parish: Tewkesbury
County: Gloucestershire
Registration district: Tewkesbury
Sub-registration district: Deerhurst

Piece: 1974 Folio: 459 Page Number: 38

Joseph Hathaway 37 Walton Ag Lab
Parlina Hathaway 44 Twyning
George Hathaway 17 Tewkesbury
Ann Hathaway 13 Walton
Charles Hathaway 11 Walton

dave