O'Neill

[turipa]

hi everyone
i am looking for the parents of my great great grandmother - mary o'neill who married william kirkland and ended up here in new zealand, I believe she came from Dundee, Angus, Scotland, she was born in 1852 - her father may of been a Francis O'Neill and mother might of been Christina Fraser - she may of had a brother Owen and a sister Rose - thank you all in advance for taking the time to read this post

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to the Forum.

So far I can't find a marriage for Francis to Christina/Christian in Scotland.

So far I can't find a birth or baptism for Mary, Rose or Owen in Scotland.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 1871
KIRKLAND WILLIAM
O'NEILL MARY
282 / 4 / 220
ST ANDREW (DUNDEE)

A copy of that marriage should have some details.

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find a Francis or Christina O'Neill in Angus in 1851.

1851 O'NIEL
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_r...1851-angus-forfarshire-dundee-1818-?locale=en


RC
O'NEIL ANDREW
FRANCIS O'NEIL / CHRISTINA FRAZER
MALE
8/7/1850
14/7/1850
DUNDEE, ST ANDREW'S

RC
O'NEILL OWEN
FRANCIS O'NEILL / CHRISTINA FRAZER
MALE
3/11/1854
5/12/1854
DUNDEE, ST MARY, OUR LADY OF VICTORIES


I can't find Mary or Rose.

 

[DaveHam9]

RC Marriage
O'NIELL FRANCIS
FRAZER CHRISTINA
13/5/1849
DUNDEE, ST ANDREW'S

 

[DaveHam9]

Given a son Andrew this is probably the one;

FRASER CHRISTINA
ANDREW FRASER/ELIZABETH FENWICK FR608
F
26/11/1828
685 / 1
560 / 111
EDINBURGH

 

[turipa]

do i have to buy the marriage certificate dave ?
im not sure what some of the info is that you are giving me
RC (what does this mean ?)
O'NIELL FRANCIS
FRAZER CHRISTINA
13/5/1849 (is this the date of the marriage ?)
DUNDEE, ST ANDREW'S

i think a lot of the O'neill information has been muddled to be honest

 

[turipa]

here is the census info i found - but no mother named

 

[DaveHam9]

RC = Roman Catholic.

Yes, that's the date of the marriage.

ScotlandsPeople lets you search for free once you register but to get copies of certificates you need to buy credits. Not essential. Depends to what depth you need the details.

Yes, that's the date of the marriage.

With a name like O'Neill it will appear in records with variations.

I have no access to census in Scotland after 1851.

Given the ages in that 1871 census I'll look for births and a death.

Births after 1854 do not list parents on the index.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find births for Mary or Rose. Either the age for Owen in 1871 is wrong or they had a second son named Owen. I'll look for a death.

I can't find a death for Owen born 1854.

 

[turipa]

i wonder if Mary and Rose had a different mother - perhaps Ellen ??

 

[DaveHam9]

Given a son Andrew this is probably the one;

FRASER CHRISTINA
ANDREW FRASER/ELIZABETH FENWICK FR608
F
26/11/1828
685 / 1
560 / 111
EDINBURGH

Death 1863
O'NEILL CHRISTINA
Maiden name [FRASER]
35
Mother's maiden name FENWICK
F
282 / 1 / 387
DUNDEE FIRST DISTRICT

 

[DaveHam9]

i wonder if Mary and Rose had a different mother - perhaps Ellen ??

The marriage was 1849. The births are before Christina's death.

Not all births were registered and not all records of those that were registered have survived. Or the record survived but is in such a poor condition it can't be transcribed to the index.

 

[turipa]

it is looking more likely that Francis was Mary's father and Christina her mother
Mary did name her first son Samuel Francis Murray Kirkland
the Samuel was after William Kirkland father, so perhaps the Francis Murray was after Mary's father

 

[DaveHam9]

1861
ONEILL CHRISTINA
F
33
282/1 33/ 66
DUNDEE FIRST DISTRICT
ANGUS

ONEILL ROSE
F
4
282/1 33/ 66
DUNDEE FIRST DISTRICT
ANGUS

 

[Bootzy]

Found Christina & Francis & family on 1861 Scotland census

staying with her sister-in-law Bridget & brother-in-law Owen Oneill – all in weaving


Owen Oneill 42 b Ireland
Bridget Oneill 48 sister b Ireland
Francis Oneill 46 brother b Ireland
Christina Oneill 33 sister-in-law b Dundee
Andrew Oneill 10 nephew b Dundee
Mary Oneill 8 niece b Dundee
Owen Oneill 6 nephew b Dundee
Rose Oneill 4 niece b Dundee
Francis Oneill 2 nephew b Dundee
at 41 Ferry Road Dundee – ED 33 34, h/h 383, Line 13, Roll CSSCT1861_39

1851 for Dundee has
Francis 33 b Ireland weaver with Christina 23 and Andrew 9 months with brother Owen 29 and sister Bridget 35 as lodgers at Ferry Road Carolina Port Flat – ED 3A, page 2, h/h 6, Line 14, Roll CSSCT181_59

pos for Christina – baptised 26 Nov 1828 Edinburgh – Andrew Frazer & Elizabeth Fenwick
parents marriage Andrew Fraser to Elizabeth Finwick 26 Nov 1827 Edingburgh

regards Val

 

[turipa]

oh you are brilliant Val - thank you so much

 

[turipa]

now to find francis and christina children
Andrew O'Neill (b. 9 july 1850 Dundee) - did he go to the usa ? did he marry ? has he got any children ?
mary oneill married william kirkland and came to nz ( i have all i need for her)
Owen oneill (b. 1855 Dumfries Scotland ) did he marry ? did he have any children ?
Rose O'Niell (b. 1857) did she marry ? did she have any children
Francis O'Neill (b. 8 Jun 1859 Dundee Scotland) - did he marry ? did he have children ?
thank you all so much for all your help

 

[Bootzy]

Do you have access to Ances.... as you can follow the family from there...

 

[turipa]

i do but havent been able to find them on there yet
i did just this minute find two marriage records for

andrew married susan steel (1875 in Dundee)
rose married william john giffen (1874 in Dundee)

i only have access to the australian/nz ances - maybe that is why i cant find very much