PARLET PATRICK

[Luna]

My 3 x GGrandfather Parlet Patrick was born in Trowse in Norfolk. He had 5 children from 1800 onwards all baptised in Barnby in Suffolk a nearby village where they moved to. Parlet was a farmer and owned properties in the surrounding areas. On the childrens baptisimal records it says there mother is Mary Barrett. I cannot find any marriage for her and Parlet anywhere. She later is found on the census records and states her place of birth as Carleton Colville Suffolk. I have found a record for Mary Barr born in 1776 in Carleton Colville and I am assuming this could be her with a slight change of name? However I have now found Parlet Patrick's Will which states that he leaves several pieces of property to his wife Mary one of which was left to him by his late farther-in-law John Hawes.
Mary and Parlet had a child Thomas Hawes Patrick and in fact the use of the Hawes as a middle name for various children in the family turns up again and again.
My question is Are Mary Barrett and ? Hawes one and the same person (did she marry a Mr Barrett was widowed and then married Parlet?) Or did Parlet marry ? Hawes and was then widowed and then married Mary Barrett? This seems odd to me that Mary Barrett should call one of her children Thomas Hawes Patrick. I have searched and searched the records and cannot find anything. If they married in Trowse the records for that time are damaged and this maybe the answer but if anyone can help I would really be grateful. THank you

 

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Not what you were asking for but interesting all the same.

Date: Saturday, Apr. 11, 1835
Publication: Norfolk Chronicle (Norfolk, England)Volume: 66 , Issue: 3383

 

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Patrick.— the 15th Inst-, at Barnby. Mary Ann, the beloved wife of Thomas Hawes Patrick, aged 78 years.

Published: Saturday 24 March 1894
Newspaper: Thetford & Watton Times
County: Norfolk, England

 

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However I have now found Parlet Patrick's Will which states that he leaves several pieces of property to his wife Mary one of which was left to him by his late farther-in-law John Hawes.

Could John Hawes have been a step father to either Parlet or Mary?

quote" Remember that meanings of words have changed over time. As examples, "brother" could once mean "brother-in-law"; "cousin" usually was a generic term for any relative; "son-in-law" could mean what we know today as "stepson"; "in-law", in the past could mean anyone related by marriage; "father-in-law" and "mother-in-law" could mean what we now know as step-parents."

https://genealogy.stackexchange.com...les, "brother" could,now know as step-parents.
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Can a mod sort this please to save doubling up on replies and getting confused. There are 2 threads the same.

https://forum.familyhistory.uk.com/threads/parlet-patrick-and-hawes.36903/

That one now closed.

 

[Luna]

Could John Hawes have been a step father to either Parlet or Mary?

quote" Remember that meanings of words have changed over time. As examples, "brother" could once mean "brother-in-law"; "cousin" usually was a generic term for any relative; "son-in-law" could mean what we know today as "stepson"; "in-law", in the past could mean anyone related by marriage; "father-in-law" and "mother-in-law" could mean what we now know as step-parents."

https://genealogy.stackexchange.com/questions/2526/did-son-in-law-have-a-different-meaning-in-mid-19th-century-england#:~:text=As examples, "brother" could,now know as step-parents.
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Thank you that is certainly a line to follow thank you for that it was not something I had considered.

 

[Luna]

Not what you were asking for but interesting all the same.

Date: Saturday, Apr. 11, 1835
Publication: Norfolk Chronicle (Norfolk, England)Volume: 66 , Issue: 3383

Thank you for this I had seen this. It seems really odd as they did "elope" to London to get married but then returned to Suffolk at lived in nearby North Cove. Thomas was a Glazier and they went on to live full and happy lives together and had 8 children. Thomas parents Parlet and Mary were witnesses at the wedding. I love a good mystery it must have been a very strong feeling on the part of Mary's parents as Parlet was a local farmer and owned various properties in the district. Unless she miscarried it would appear that she was not pregnant and Thomas was working. I am guessing family dispute. I love the newspapers too they provide such a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for the death notice I have not done that part of the family fully yet.

 

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Just posting the information that emeltee had found and posted on the other thread so its altogether.

emeltee posted ... Suffolk fhs have this entry on their Marriage Index. It is a transcription.

Parlet Patrick married Mary Barrett 10 March 1800 at St John the Baptist church, Barnby, Suffolk

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There is a baptism in Carlton Colville 18 May 1775 for a Mary Barret, parents Edward and Elizabeth. Original image on fmp. It is not the clearest image and the surname is also transcribed as Banet as well as Barrett. However the couple baptised two sons William in 1779 and Edmund in 1783 and they have the name transcribed as Barrett.

 

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Thank you that is certainly a line to follow thank you for that it was not something I had considered.

quote" pieces of property to his wife Mary one of which was left to him by his late farther-in-law John Hawes. "

Just my personal thoughts but i would be assuming Hawes would be Parlet's step father. Do we have parents for him? Maybe his father died when he was young and his mother remarried to Hawes.

Is there any further information on John Hawes?

 

[Luna]

I cannot find a marriage for his mother Mary
chamberlain to a John Hawes or a death for his father

 

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I cannot find a marriage for his mother Mary
chamberlain to a John Hawes or a death for his father

Mary would have married under the surname Patrick if she did remarry.
What was Parlet's father's name?

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[Luna]

Yes I did look under her married name his father's name was Parlet

 

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I'm not finding anything to connect Hawes to them

 

[Luna]

Thanks I think I am going to draw the conclusion that Parlet married a Hawes in Trowse before he married Mary Barrett and the records there are fairly damaged and there some of them unreadable and I am guessing this is one of them. I am
Asking to see them in the records office in Norwich but the archivist said they are not good thank you for your help

 

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Thanks I think I am going to draw the conclusion that Parlet married a Hawes in Trowse before he married Mary Barrett

Maybe but why would they name one of the sons from his 2nd marriage with the surname of the first wife?

Name Thomas Hawes Patrick
Father's Name Parlett Patrick
Mother's Name Mary Barrett
Event Type Christening
Event Date 10 Dec 1812
Event Place Barnby, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom