Payne The lost Family

[robbo]

The Paynes only appear on one census as far as i can see I am looking for the family of John Edward Payne he was born 1890 and appears on the 1891 census born Paddington
On this census is Father Albert E Payne 1855 born Highgate


Susan M Payne 1857 Paddington

Emily 1882 Paddington

Walter 1888 Paddington

Albert C Payne 1890 Paddington

Albert in a Carman Cabman

Cant find a marriage for them and they are on any other census Can anyone help Thanks

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hi Robbo,

This looks like Albert the father in 1901, but he says he is single.

Name: Albert Payne
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary, Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 26a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 7
Folio: 111
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 503
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Griffith 23
Ellen Griffith 25
Nellie Griffith 1
Charles Gunston 59
Maurice Gunston 29
George Smith 36
Henry Hall 31
Thomas Arnold 21
Walter Tye 22
William Thomas 46
John Day 38
Edwin Gadsby 46
Henry Orton 24
Samuel Welch 37
Bill Smith 34
Arthur Sloper 35
Albert Payne 46
Charles Parsons 49
Charles Collins 48
Edwin Balls 34
Henry Collins 5
John Edwards 59
George Lane 20
Robert Lowe 45
John Jones 40
John Miller 24
Alfred Kennedy 45
Harry Lander 27
Da?? Flanagan 23
Patrice Donovan 24
Ted Brown 30

I'm guessing Albert and Susan weren't married, haven't found her or the children yet.

Amanda

 

[Ellie7]

Name:
Albert H Payne
Registration Year:
1866
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district:
Stepney
Parishes for this Registration District:
View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:
London
Volume:
1c
Page:
986
Records on Page:
Name
Sarah M Allen
Albert H Payne
Eliza Summers
Joseph West

 

[robbo]

Oh thats so clever spend hours and hours looking

Not sure what last relates to 1866

To young for their marriage and Albert was born 1855

 

[robbo]

I found two of the children in St Vincents school in Mill Hill Name spelt Pane Its an orphanage Birth Place taddington Parts of the puzzle are coming together Now to find Albert and his parents

 

[Ladybird1300]

Your Albert is proving to be very elusive, can't find him in many census, I was wondering why he said he was born in Berkshire, unless he was married while living with Susan.
This could be him in 1851 census living with his parents:

George Pain Head Married Male 29 1822 Gentlemans Coachman Wiltshire, England
Transcription
Eliza Pain Wife Married Female 33 1818 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
Transcription
George Pain Son - Male 2 1849 - Clapham, Surrey, England
Transcription
Albert Pain Son - Male 0 1851 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England


The only problem is he isn't with them in the next census, do you have any certificates for him??

This could be his birth:

Name: Albert Pain
Registration Year: 1850
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1
Page: 359

Amanda

 

[robbo]

no certificates Family no litle or nothing about John Edward Would buy one not sure which one would help Cant find any of children registered

 

[Ladybird1300]

This is most likely John's birth:

Name: John Edward Payne
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Paddington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 27


Amanda

 

[robbo]

Yes that is more than lightly my man Shame It didnt show up in London records where I could have seen it for free

 

[robbo]

Hi Got the birth cert on John Edward Payne Now stuck again

John was born on 2 oct 1890 to Albert Edward Payne and Susan Maria Payne nee Wright Albert was a Cab man which fits in with 1891 census Address given as 68 Woodchester Street

I cant find Susan on any census before this time or Alfred

There is a marriage record on Family Search of a Alfred Edward Payne and Susan Maria White Paddington 1888 So I am surmising this is the correct marriage Although there is a daughter Emily born in 1882 as per census

I was hoping to avoid buying another cert by finding them both on census According to 1891 Albert was born abt1855 Highgate and Susan abt1857 Paddington Can anyone help please

 

[robbo]

Sorry Just seen the bit about Albert Pain Will look for him now

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hi Robbo,

Not having much luck with Albert, but I think this is Susan in 1881:

ame: Susan M. Wright
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Paddington, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 9 Leybourne Rd
Education:


View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 211
Folio: 96
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
William F. Yates 35
Susan M. Yates 34
Robert J. Yates 11
Susan M. Yates 9
Alice Yates 7
Helen Yates 3
James Yates
Florence Yates
Susan M. Wright 14
Robert Wooldridge 55
Alfred Wooldridge 22
Henery Aukerey 22
James Cox 30

Amanda

 

[Ladybird1300]

I assume William Yates sister is Susan's mother, I think this is his baptism:

ame: William Frederick Yates
Baptism Date: 17 May 1846
Archive Provided Parish: Stoke Next Guildford, St John the Evangelist
Parish as it Appears: Stoke Next Guildford
Father: Thomas Yates
Mother: Matilda Yates
Reference Number: STK/4/2

Amanda

 

[horse]

The 1891 census has Susan b. c1857

Geoff

 

[juliejtp]

Hi,

Looks like Susan was still alive in 1911.

Civil parish St Pancras

6 Lissenden Mansions, Highgate Road, London N


Susan Maria Payne age 51 widowed domestic servant born St Panras

Head of house hold Frederick Moreton plus family

 

[juliejtp]

A possible for Alberts death,

Albert Payne est year of birth 1858
1903
Jul/Aug/Sept
District Paddington

 

[robbo]

John Pane
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Taddington, London, England
Civil Parish: Hendon
Ecclesiastical parish: Mill Hill St Paul
Town: Mill Hill
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
John is there at St Vincents School with brother Albert Would they have been taken in if mother was alive
This is from census in 1901

Looks like I am going to have to buy cert unless someone knows how to access marriage records of Paddington 1888

 

[Ladybird1300]

I've looked in the London records on Ancestry for a marriage, it doesn't appear there, so I think a certificate will be necessary. At least you will have both fathers and their occupations on it.

Amanda

 

[robbo]

Got the marriage cert of Albert Edward Payne and Susan Maria Wright It helps a bit Albert was 29 in Sept 1888 marriage date and Susan 21 both of Clarendon Street Paddington different nos Father of Albert James Payne a carman I cant find him at all
Father of Susan Harry Wright a plumber

Cant find him either
However I found a marriage betwen Harry Wright and M<argaret Sarah Woodbridge in 1867 in Kennington So it looks like Margaret was Susan Yates nee wooldridge sister Help needed to find Harry Wright and James Payne Thanks so much