PERKS family

[DaveHam9]

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Deaths Mar Qtr 1940
Perks Walter 85 Thurrock 4a 1351

 

[emeltee]

In 1911 Walter and Mary are living in Tilbury. Walter is 56, a Labourer, born Birmingham. He and Mary have been married 38 years

Walter Perks/Mary Brian Mar 1873 Kensington 1a 247

There are two possible births for Walter in the Birmingham area

Mar 1855 Birmingham 6d 34 mmn Brown
Mar 1855 Aston 6d 255 mmn Waring

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

Also Dec Qtr 1852. I found all three in 1871 with the three occupations I listed.

Any occupation on the 1873 marriage?

Looking at middle names no Brown or Waring - Helen Rebecca, Amy Louise, Walter Harry, Lily Mary, Ray Walter, William Victor

Dave

 

[emeltee]

Unfortunately all I can find is the GRO Ref for the marriage.

The Walter Perks born 1852 died 1854 aged 1 so forget about him

The 1861 Census has 2 Walter Perks bor Birmingham 1855. One is living in Birmingham with parents William and Jane. William is a Steel Pen Tool Maker. The other is living in Warwick with parents William and Anne. William is a Hatter.

Checking the mmn on the GRO site William and Jane's children have mmn Brown and those of William and Anne have mmn Waring. Doesn't help much but thought you might like to know!

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

Neither of those mmn has helped as neither appears as a middle name for any descendants found so far.

There is also this one in 1871 but have not found him in 1861.

Walter H Perks
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Handsworth, Staffordshire, England
Enumeration District 14
Gender Male
Age 19
Marital Status Unmarried
Occupation Architect
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birthplace Birmingham, Warwickshire
Entry Number 7
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/2972/0051
Thomas Perks Head M 54 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Perks Wife F 53 Shropshire
Mary Perks Daughter F 27 Birmingham, Warwickshire
William E Perks Son M 26 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Elizabeth B Perks Daughter F 24 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Alfred L Perks Son M 21 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Walter H Perks Son M 19 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Florence Perks Daughter F 16 Birmingham, Warwickshire
George S Fearnie Visitor M 23 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Dinah Gibson Servant F 23 Kirby, Leicestershire
Emma Guise Servant F 26 Stratford-On-Avon, Warwickshire

Age and occupation would seem to rule him out however a son and grandson of the Walter I'm tracing had middle initial H. In no records found so far did Walter born abt 1855 show any middle initial.

Re 1873 marriage: Walter was a bachelor ? (was he a widower?) and Mary a spinster. Also he was a minor and she was full age.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find the one in previous post in 1881.

There is this death to fit one.

Deaths Sep Qtr 1875
PERKS Walter 19 Birmingham 6d 20

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

It's probably the family in London in 1871.

 

[horse]

Looking at death/cemetery records there is this, Dave.. A tree also has it..

New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007
Walter Herbert Perks
Birth Date: abt 1851
Death Age: 36
Death Date: 9 May 1887
Death Place: Blenheim, Marlborough
Burial Place: Marlborough, Nelson, New Zealand
Cemetery: Omaka
[Image has 'of Birmingham, Eng']

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Something odd there Geoff.

Death 14004/1980 PERKS HARRY WALTER WALTER HARRY MARGARET * 14 Jun

Death 29393/1955 PERKS WALTER HARRY WALTER HARRY MARY PADDINGTON * 16 Nov

1911
RG14 Piece 9965
Parish: Chadwell St Mary
County: Essex
Registration District: Orsett
RD No: 192
Sub-RD: Grays
ED: 14 SN: 390
Address: 49 Montreal Road, Tilbury Essex
Walter Perks Head 56 Married Labourer Birmingham
Mary Perks Wife 64 Married 38 10 5 5 Bethnal Green

Dave

 

[horse]

Something odd there Geoff.

Yeah, can't see him between 1871-1887 or an arrival..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

No, I mean how can that NZ one fit in.

The one who died in 1980 is the son of the one who died 1955 who is the son of the one in 1911 census.

Dave

 

[horse]

Looking at death/cemetery records there is this, Dave.. A tree also has it..

New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007
Walter Herbert Perks
Birth Date: abt 1851
[Image has 'of Birmingham, Eng']

Maybe worth putting on the back burner..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Births Jun Qtr 1851
PERKS Walter Herbert W Bromwich 18 617 mmn EDWARDS

Does that tree include mmn Brian, Neale, Barnes

Dave

 

[horse]

Births Jun Qtr 1851
PERKS Walter Herbert W Bromwich 18 617 mmn EDWARDS

Not Birmingham, but quite close..

Parents possible marriage 1840 Birmingham, Vol 16, page 461.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Post #25
Elizabeth's maiden name ?

Dave

 

[horse]

Post #25
Elizabeth's maiden name ?

Can't be sure at this point, Dave... A couple of trees have Edwards, b. Bridgnorth.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

PERKS, FLORENCE - EDWARDS
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 307

Ok, that family in post #25 with the Architect aged 19 is not connected as far as I can see unless Thomas and William are brothers.

Any occupation for that Walter in NZ?

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm thinking that this one

Deaths Sep Qtr 1875
PERKS Walter 19 Birmingham 6d 20

is the one in Warwickshire in 1871 and not the one in London in 1871.

Hence I think the 'groom' is the one we are tracing.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Walter Perks
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place London, Marylebone, London, Middlesex, England
Enumeration District 6
Occupation Domestic Groom
Birth Year (Estimated) 1855
Birthplace Birmingham
Entry Number 10
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/0166/0114
William Perks Head M 50 Charlecote, Warwickshire
Ellen Perks Daughter F 22 Warwick, Warwickshire
Alick Perks Son M 20 Warwick, Warwickshire
Walter Perks Son M 16 Birmingham
Samuel Perks Son M 13 Birmingham
William Perks Son M 11 Warwick, Warwickshire
Elvis Perks Son M 6 Leamington, Warwickshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Walter Perks
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Enumeration District 19
Occupation Steel Pen Tool Maker
Birth Year (Estimated) 1855
Birthplace Birmingham, Warwickshire
Entry Number 23
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/3092/0138
William Perks Head M 44 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Jane Perks Wife F 45 Liverpool, Lancashire
Francis J Perks Son M 17 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Walter Perks Son M 16 Birmingham, Warwickshire
George Perks Son M 12 Birmingham, Warwickshire
William Perks Son M 9 Birmingham, Warwickshire
John Perks Son M 7 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Fred Perks Son M 3 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Mary A Clarke Lodger F 41 Birmingham, Warwickshire