Peter & Margaret RITCHIE

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

V1850300 79/1850 RITCHIE PETER - CONNOR MARGARET - JX= Presbyterian Yass

I, Peter Ritchie, Bachelor of Yass do hereby declare that I am a Member or hold Communion with the Australian Presbyterian Church [signed]
I,
I, William Ritchie of Yass, Minister of The Australian Presbyterian Church, do hereby certify that Peter Ritchie, Bachelor of Yass and Margaret Connor, Spinster, of Yass, were joined together in Wedlock by me on the Twenty Third September 1850 at Yass, in the presence of John Archer of Yass and Mary Barry of Yass. [Witnesses signed]
[Parties did not sign] [signed] Wm. Ritchie Presbyterian Minister


Surname : Connor
First Name : Margaret
Age on arrival : 18
Native Place : Listowel, Kerry
Parents : James & Ann (both dead)
Religion : Roman Catholic
Ship name : Thomas Arbuthnot (Sydney 1850)
Other : Moreton Bay? Im. Cor. 50/344. T. Allison, Yass, 8, 1 yr; married Peter Ritchie Presbyterian Church Yass in 1850, 2 children by 1854, no further information


Children with reg:
V1851517 51/1851 RITCHIE JANET - PETER - MARGARET
V185411 71/1854 RITCHIE WILLIAM - PETER - MARGARET

Children with no reg (and possibly others) ???
Kate
Mary Ann
Susannah

Death 4140/1939 POWELL MARY ANN - PETER - MARGARET - MARRICKVILLE

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 25 January 1939 p.16
DEATHS
POWELL.-January 23, at a private hospital Stanmore, Mary, widow of the late Reburton S. E. Powell Stanmore, loved aunt of E.G. Loten (N.Z.), Kathleen (Mrs. Gerald S. Mack U.S.A.), C.E. Loten and Margaret (Mrs. Keith M. Locke).
Privately interred 24th instant.

Deaths
10292/1889 DOBBINS SUSANNAH - PETER - MARGARET - TAREE
6825/1898 LOTEN KATE - PETER - MARGARET - PETERSHAM


William was from Scotland. Peter may not be related and he may or may not be from Scotland.

Burial V18542181 41A/1854 RITCHIE WILLIAM AGE 62

RITCHIE William Death notice 26OCT1854 Death 62 at Yass, formerly of West Linton, Scotland SMH 01NOV1854


The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 3 February 1876 p.1
MARRIAGES
WIGHTMAN - RITCHIE.-January 28, by the Rev. Dr. Fullerton, Mr. James Wightman, of Sydney, to Jessie, eldest daughter of Mr. Peter Ritchie, of Manning River.

Is that the same Peter moved from Yass to Manning River or a different one. Is Jessie the Janet b. 1851? I can't find a death for Jessie.

Looking for info on Peter and Mary Ann.

Regards,

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

There is a tree suggesting Jessie is Janet (Jessie) Ritchie, parents: Peter Ritchie and Margaret Connor.

Also NSW BMD:
94/1876 - WIGHTMAN JAMES - RITCHIE JESSIE - SYDNEY
Confirms your Sydney Morning Herald entry.

The tree also suggests that peter died; Mitchell's Island, Manning River, aged 48, giving a birth year of c1830.
Reg No Last Name Given Name Mother's Given Name(s) District
7103/1878 RITCHIE PETER - JESSIE - MANNING RIVER

If you haven't got Kate and Mary Ann's marriages:
5134/1883 LOTEN ERNEST G - RITCHIE KATE - WINGHAM
6003/1894 POWELL REVNOTON S E - RITCHIE MARY - PETERSHAM

Geoff

 

[horse]

Not sure if you have Susannah's marriage..
3715/1879 DOBBINS ISAAC - RITCHIE SUSANNAH - MANNING RIVER

Peter's mother could be a Jessie (Janet) b. c1810 NSW.. Though it did give Jessie as mother, at Peter's death.

There is also this birth under Richie :
8897/1863 RICHIE JOHN - PETER - MARGARET - MANNING RIVER

Geoff

 

[horse]

Jessie and Robert may have relocated to Perth, here are their possible deaths..
WA BMD Index:
WIGHTMAN JAMES R - Male - PERTH - 364 - 1914
WIGHTMAN JESSIE - Female - PERTH - 2234 - 1945

Geoff

 

[horse]

A couple more possible offspring of Peter/Margaret:
10885/1867 RITCHIE EMELINE J - PETER - MARGARET - MANNING RIVER
12571/1872 RITCHIE PETER DAVID - PETER - MARGARET - MANNING RIVER

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Thanks for filling in some of the gaps. I didn't chase all the children re marriages and deaths because I was not sure if they really fitted or not in my tree.

Yass and Manning River are hundreds of miles apart so I kept wondering if there were 2x Peter. Seems not.

Presbyterian and therefore not uncommon for the Janet/Jessie bit. The following one in Sydney (I can tell by the minister) is also Presbyterian but not establishment - more a 'no questions asked' sort of place.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 3 February 1876 p.1
MARRIAGES
WIGHTMAN - RITCHIE.-January 28, by the Rev. Dr. Fullerton, Mr. James Wightman, of Sydney, to Jessie, eldest daughter of Mr. Peter Ritchie, of Manning River.

Janet born 1851 certainly fits as the eldest daughter.

The connection to my tree is actually Reburton POWELL.

Can find birth registrations for some of the children.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

One curious thing:

Presbyterian Baptisms in the Parish of Yass in the County of Murray 1851
Janet - Peter Ritchie & Margaret Conar Abode: Yass Quality or Profession: Mounted Police When Born: 23rd Augt. 1851 When Baptised: 28th Sept. 1851 By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Ritchie


Roman Catholic Baptisms in the Parish of Yass in the County of Murray 1854
William - Peter Ritchie & Margaret Connor Abode: Yass Quality or Profession: Labourer When Born: March 4th 1854 When Baptised: March 15th 1854 By whom the Ceremony was performed: P. Magennis R.C.C.

 

[horse]

There were times when I was suspicious of 2 separate families, but mostly the info is reasonably consistent.

There is a death for a William Ritchie:
V18542181 41A/1854 RITCHIE WILLIAM AGE 62

The same year as William was bap.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

It looks like one Peter and a move much further north for the family.

I did follow the minister. A CofE burial too.

Burials in the Parish of St. Clement Yass in the County of Murray in the year 1854
No 12 William Ritchie Abode: Yass When Died: October 26th When Buried: October 28th Age: 62 years Quality or Profession: Presbyterian Clergyman By whom the Ceremony was performed: Chas. Ferd. Brigstocke

Dave

 

[horse]

Yep, and, Jessie moved West, allegedly!

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Geoff, does the tree have a year and pob for these:

Children with no reg (and possibly others):
Kate
Mary Ann
Susannah

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

No, in fact it only has Janet (Jessie) 1851-1945, with no evidential info, though the limited info it states has been fairly consistent. So they have done a little homework. It appears to be the only tree that has Peter and Margaret.

The other children that I found, apart from those mentioned by you, were found by trawling the index for Ritchie and Richie, filtering with parents to reduce results.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok, thanks Geoff.

So a puzzle why some don't have reg.

Dave

 

[horse]

Yeah...

Only 3 other possible reasons:
1. Not registered.
2. Perhaps not in NSW for those births.
3. Variant surname/transcription error.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

I doubt outside NSW. Can't see any in Qld. or Vic.

No age at death for Mary.

A big gap 1854 (RC Yass) to 1863 Manning River.


6003/1894 POWELL REVNOTON S E - RITCHIE MARY - PETERSHAM

28 Mar 1894 in Wesleyan Methodist Church

Can't find a notice in TROVE for that one.

 

[b00fhead]

Hi Guys,

It might be my tree you have been looking at. I have spent a lot of time chasing the information in it so it is all sourced. I will get around to adding sources. Jessie (Janet) is my wife's GG. She married James Robert Wightman in 1876 in Sydney. They lived in Balranald NSW for a while and had 5 children. The family packed up and moved to Kalgoorlie WA, not sure when but the electoral roles from 1906 on have them in it, along with my wife's grandmother Myrtle Wightman and her brother James. Look under district of Bardoc. Eventually they moved to Perth and lived in Subiaco. He died in 1914. Trove has the details. He was much older. When they married he was 48 and she was 23. She died in 1945. Apparently she was a real tyrant.

I have been chasing a starting point to further research Peter Ritchie. He certainly moved to Manning River (Taree.) His wife Margaret was a famine orphan who arrived in 1849 from Listowel, Ireland. She died in Sydney in 1874. You have given me the clue on where to start with Peter Ritchie by saying he was a mounted policeman. I thought that was the case because I had found information showing that in 1849 in Sydney. A whole unit moved from Sydney to Yass. Prior to that he was a soldier with the 99th Regiment which appears to be a British regiment that he joined in 1842. I assume he came out with it. I will chase this now. Most of this stuff can be googled.

Brian.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Brian,

welcome to FHUK

Thanks for the details.

Where did you find the bit about the 99th?

Ah. HERE

Regards,

Dave

 

[b00fhead]

Dave

Fyi I checked out the minister Rev William Ritchie and can see no connection between Peter and William other than he married them and baptised the first 2 kids. William died in 1854. He had a son Peter B Ritchie who died in 1878 I think. There were quite a few of the family with similar names to our Peter Rotcjie's family. Google Rev William Ritchie West Linton. The whole story will come up. He was a missionary from Scotland, arrived 1847. You will need to highlight the page to read it.

Brian.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Brian,

Yes, thanks, I did chase more info on the minister out of curiosity.

I think it will be very difficult finding on which of the three convict vessels Peter arrived.

It's just a small branch on my tree with the connection via Reburton & Mary Ann.

Can you confirm there are no registrations for three of the children:

Kate
Mary Ann
Susannah

Regards,

Dave

 

[b00fhead]

Dave,

Only Susanna May. 24292/1888 NSW. Others don't seem to be registered. Kate lived in Wingham I think. Might be a clue there.

Susanna is shown on the Mid North Coast Pioneers site. Parents are Alezander and Charlotte.

Peter is also there - shown 1827 as estimated birth date. Wonder where they got that from. This co-incides with English census 1841 where it is shown as 1826 - Cumberland army barracks. May not be him but a fair chance. Shows birth as Scottish. I might chase his death certificate. Marriage cert shows nothing but names.

I chased the convict ships Candahar, North Briton and John Renwick - zero.

Brian.