R.I.C. List of names and service numbers

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I was wondering if any English or Irish member could get hold of the following book and do a look up for me please. I'd like his service number.

The Royal Irish Constabulary
A complete alphabetical list of officers and men, 1816-1922
Jim Herlihy


Name: Guest, Wm
Birth Date/Age: 22
Birthplace: Roscommon
Marriage or Comments: EMIGRATED
Enlisted: 1888

There used to be two internet sites where look ups could be requested but both appear to have closed in 2009.

Thanks,

Regards,

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

Not sure if this is any help Dave.

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/records/occupation/police.htm

Steve.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

Thanks. I've seen that. The LDS Family History Center in Sydney is far from me and I've not been there at all. I might have to gather some stuff so I have more than one reason to make the trip by bus.

I posted the look up request on a forum about 7 months ago. I knew look ups were slow so I only went back a few days ago and was surprised to find no reply. Then I decided to read the skicky. :2fun: Look ups ceased back in 2009.

Regards,

Dave

 

[Elwyn]

Jim Herlihy is a serving member of An Garda Siochana (the Irish police force) and is responsible for genealogical enquiries relating to formers members of that force and of the RIC which preceded it. I suggest you contact him directly. He is based at Blarney Garda station, Co Cork. He has a reputation for being extremely helpful and for responding quickly. His contact details are on the attached site:

http://www.esatclear.ie/~garda/museum.html

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Elwyn,

Thank you very much for that info.

Regards,

Dave

 

[jackmakk]

I have a copy of the book, but there is no Guest surname included.

Jack

 

[DaveHam9]

Jim Herlihy is a serving member of An Garda Siochana (the Irish police force) and is responsible for genealogical enquiries relating to formers members of that force and of the RIC which preceded it. I suggest you contact him directly. He is based at Blarney Garda station, Co Cork. He has a reputation for being extremely helpful and for responding quickly. His contact details are on the attached site:

http://www.esatclear.ie/~garda/museum.html

Hello Elwyn,

I sent off an email and have had no reply to date.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Jack.

Thanks for looking but that is very strange. Not only is the name on the list that has been filmed:


Ireland, The Royal Irish Constabulary 1816-1921
Name: Guest, Wm
Birth Date/Age: 22
Birthplace: Roscommon
Marriage or Comments: EMIGRATED
Enlisted: 1888
Film #: 852089
Page #: 19

but the following appeared in the newspaper upon his death:

The Sydney Morning Herald - Friday 15 July 1932, page 15. News
MR. W. GUEST.
Mr. William Guest, ex-Inspector of police, who died suddenly at Hunter's Hill on Wednesday afternoon, aged 66 years, was born in County Roscommon, Ireland. He served for some time with the Royal Irish Constabulary, and in 1892 came to this country, and joined the New South Wales police force. First stationed at Bathurst, he was transferred to Mudgee, where in 22 years he rose from the rank of constable to that of Inspector. In 1921 he was promoted to Newcastle, but ill-health compelled him to resign from the force in 1923, and he made his home at Hunter's Hill. He is survived by Mrs. Guest and one son (Mr. John Guest). The funeral will take place this morning.

Regards,

Dave

 

[jackmakk]

The book of Jim Herlihy; Royal Irish Constabulary Officers 1816-1922
only has two entries with GU
and both of those are Gun, (strange , but true)

Jack

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Jack,

Ah. There must be two books then. The book I looked up in the Dublin Library was not a list of Officers. Four years ago I didn't know I had a GUEST to look up.

Ok let's check some I know are in the book like my GG grandfather, William HAMILTON:

Service No 7533
Joined 9 Dec 1846 - Age 21 - 5' 11 1/2" - Co Down - P(resbyterian) - Rev J Shaw, Clerk - Farmer

Also his younger brother:

Service Number: 18210
Name: HAMILTON, John
Age when joining: 18 years
Height: 5 feet 7 ¾ inches
Native County: Down
Religion: Pres.
Date of Marriage:
Native Co. of Wife:
Recommended by: S.I. Stafford
Trade or Calling: Labourer
Date of Appointment: 14 April 1854
Allocations: Fermanagh (6 Aug 1854) Reserve (1 Nov 1856) Armagh (5 Feb 1858)
Promotions or Demotions: 1st sub constable (1 Oct 1854)
Rewards
Punishments
Discharge: Resigned
Discharge Date: 31 August 1858
Injuries:
Remarks: "to emigrate to Australia"

Regards,

Dave

 

[jackmakk]

Hamilton William; CarNB(Patrick Carrolls Notebooks-Order of the Bath)
3rd SI 1825 (sub inspector)
described by Major Thomas D'arcy on 29/11/1825;
Lieut Hamilton appears to be an active intelligent officer and promises to be most deligent and zealous, yer temperate in the discharge of his official duties.
Death reported on 8/5/1828 by Major D'arcy from Enniskillen;
C.C Downpatrick Co Down, 1826; Muff Donegal 1828
======
There is a John Hamilton, but from Kerry.

Jack

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Jack,

Thanks for checking but that's a different and much earlier one. This is my GG grandfather:


R.I.C. Service No 7533
Joined 9 Dec 1846 - Age 21 - 5' 11 1/2" - Co Down - P(resbyterian) - Rev J Shaw, Clerk - Farmer
Reserv. 0 3 1/2 ? Promotion P4C 1 May 1855
Cork Promotion PC 1 Jul 1857
Waterford 1 Sep 1859 (1 year after marriage)
Waterford City 28 Jul 1865 ? Promotion P2HC 10 Oct 1871
Limerick Co 1 Nov 1871 Promotion P1HC 1 Dec 1876
1876 Head Constable 2nd Class Rathkeale - Date of Appointment 10 Oct 1871 - 19th Seniority List
Rathkeale is a Petty Sessions Station and Fairs & General Sessions District Foynes.
1877 Head Constable 1st Class - Date of Appointment 1 Dec 1876
1881 Jul-Dec 15th Seniority List (of 79)
1884 4th Seniority List
1885 3rd Seniority List
1886 7533 Hamilton, William Head Constable Limerick Pensioned


Death Certificate: Reg #164
Place of death: St Joseph's Terrace, Cork - Widower - age 72 - Police Pensioner
Cause of death: Cardiac ? ? congestion 10 days Certified
Informant: Ellen Hamilton - Daughter - Present at death - St Joseph's Terrace, Cork

Regards,

Dave

 

[Sirsimon]

Hello fellow genealogists

Looking at this post, would someone please be able to find out details from the book by James Herlihy concerning my ancestor William Fitzpatrick. He was an officer in the Royal Irish Constabulary and was born in 1847 in Queens County, Ireland

my thanks

 

[Elwyn]

If you are not able to get his service record free from any other source, you should be able to get a copy from the PSNI Museum in Belfast, for £25:

http://www.psni.police.uk/index/about-us/police_museum/museum_genealogy.htm

 

[Sirsimon]

Hi

I do not have that expense currently

Would anyone be willing to check Jim Herlihy's book for a service number?

thanks

 

[Johnmelia]

Hi Daveham9

I was wondering if you could check my Grandfather details

He was in the RIC
Patrick White 1863
I think his father was Timothy White 1845
Possibly from Cork

Thank you

Hello Jack.

Thanks for looking but that is very strange. Not only is the name on the list that has been filmed:


Ireland, The Royal Irish Constabulary 1816-1921
Name: Guest, Wm
Birth Date/Age: 22
Birthplace: Roscommon
Marriage or Comments: EMIGRATED
Enlisted: 1888
Film #: 852089
Page #: 19

but the following appeared in the newspaper upon his death:

The Sydney Morning Herald - Friday 15 July 1932, page 15. News
MR. W. GUEST.
Mr. William Guest, ex-Inspector of police, who died suddenly at Hunter's Hill on Wednesday afternoon, aged 66 years, was born in County Roscommon, Ireland. He served for some time with the Royal Irish Constabulary, and in 1892 came to this country, and joined the New South Wales police force. First stationed at Bathurst, he was transferred to Mudgee, where in 22 years he rose from the rank of constable to that of Inspector. In 1921 he was promoted to Newcastle, but ill-health compelled him to resign from the force in 1923, and he made his home at Hunter's Hill. He is survived by Mrs. Guest and one son (Mr. John Guest). The funeral will take place this morning.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to the Forum.


Sorry, but I don't have a copy of the book or any way of looking up details.

The details I posted were obtained while I was in Dublin.

I have queries that are also waiting for someone who can get access to Jim Herlihy's book. I know there was a copy in Dublin Library in January 2008.

Dave

 

[DermotDublin]

Dear Dave,

I looked up Guest in "Royal Constabulary Officers" by Jim Herlihy and there are no Guests listed. However, I was also looking for a relative in the RIC and he wasn't listed there either!

I found some information online that quotes the LDS site.

Regards,
Dermot

 

[DaveHam9]

Hi Dermot,

Thanks for looking. It seems there are two books although I only looked at one while I was in the Dublin Library and I'm sure it was not "Royal Constabulary Officers" although I don't have the other title.

William Guest had No. 53154 which was issued between 10.4.1888 and 18.4.1891.

Searching for the titles of two books turns up only this one:

The Royal Irish Constabulary : A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers and Men, 1816-1922

HERE


Dave

 

[DermotDublin]

Dear Dave,
Thanks for the information. It seems there are two books by Jim Herlihy. The one I looked up was "Royal Irish Constabulary Officers: A Biographical Dictionary and Genealogical Guide 1816 - 1922". I'll try to find the book you refer to. I see it listed on the flyleaf of the book I have.
Regards,
Dermot