Radmore/Moss 1871 census lookups

[Purpurea]

I'm looking for Edward Radmore (father Charles). Edward was born in Plymouth in 1870.

I'm also looking for his wife's side of the family Lucy Jane Moss born 1868ish in Exeter (father James).

Their marriage cert says Edward was a shoemaker as was Lucy's father James.
Lucy was a cigar maker and Edward's father an army pensioner.

Thanking you in anticipation...

 

[nainmaddie]

Hi Purpurea

There are 3 possible Charles Radmore none of whom are in the Army. Edward does not come up on the Census and is not listed in the families. Are you sure of the birth date ?

Maddie

 

[davelambert271]

hi 1871 England Census

Name: Edward Radmore
Age: 10 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 448

Charles Radmore 47, St Thomas, Smith
Louisa Radmore 43 Plymouth
Thomas Radmore 7 Stonehouse
John Radmore 4 Stonehouse
Henry G Radmore 3 Plymouth
Edward Radmore 10 months Plymouth

dave

 

[nainmaddie]

Hi

I have found Lucy's birth in Exeter
April - May 1868

Ref. 5b 89

Maddie

will try the census again, nothing came up the first time

 

[nainmaddie]

Hi

Funny that Dave found Edward, but when I searched that one , he was missing.

I so wonder with these sites ? !!!

Maddie

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
1871 England Census

Name: Lucy I Moss
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England
Civil parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: St Thomas
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 60

James Moss 23 Exeter, Cordwainer
Elizabeth Moss 22 Exeter
Lucy I Moss 3 Exeter
William I Moss 1 St Thomas
George A Moss 7 months, St Thomas

DAVE

 

[nainmaddie]

Hi

Is anyone else having problems ? I am with G.......st, and I cannot find Lucy on the Census nor James a shoemaker.

What am I paying for ? GOW :2fun:
Maddie

 

[davelambert271]

Hi

Funny that Dave found Edward, but when I searched that one , he was missing.

I so wonder with these sites ? !!!

Maddie

Hi Maddie
what site do you use. record was on Ancestry
dave

 

[Purpurea]

Hi

Thank you both for these records. This is my second attempt at a message - but you researchers are far too fast for me. Just can't keep up...

That's absolutely great - confirmation of both sets of parents - and other children too...

I'll go away and study these now - and fill in my charts - by then you will have probably solved another dozen families for others.....

Many many thanks you two.....



B.

 

[Patricia Crowe]

This is my family Lucy Radmore was my great grandmother and Granny Moss my Great great Grandmother. Are you one of Uncle Gordons children
Pat
Aunty Lucys daughter Uncle Gordons sister
Would love to hear from you.

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Pat
you will notice Purpurea has not been on line since Apr 2012. I have sent her a message so she may reply soon.
You cannot send private messages to her until you have made 3 moderated posts, so you can do that whilst you are waiting
Shortly after your third post has been moderated, your user name will turn green indicating you can now use other features of the site, including private messages, by which means you can swop private info and email addresses

a belated welcome to the site

 

[Purpurea]

This is my family Lucy Radmore was my great grandmother and Granny Moss my Great great Grandmother. Are you one of Uncle Gordons children
Pat
Aunty Lucys daughter Uncle Gordons sister
Would love to hear from you.

Hi Pat

Absolutely fabulous to hear from you. I've been working on the genealogy for the family for many years (on and off) and this forum has been an enormous help. The family are waiting for my big reveal one day(!)(!)(!) The Moss family have been particularly difficult and remain rather a mystery. I am married to one of Gordon's sons. It's a bit late in the day now but we must exchange e-mails, records and photos! Gordon, sadly, is no longer with us but he has six children, 14 grandchildren and a vast amount of great-grandchildren! Can't wait to catch up with you soon.

 

[Patricia Crowe]

Granny Moss maiden name was Silvester this was what we were always told
Registration District St Thomas
Sarah Silvester Birth 1776 65yrs
Sarah Silvester Birth 1816 25yrs
Sarah Silvester Birth 1838 3yrs

Also Registration District Exeter
Sarah Silvester Birth 1806 35 yrs
Sarah Silvester Birth 1811 30 yrs

We understand that our family had lives in St Thomas Exeter for many generations.
Hope this helps
Pat

 

[Purpurea]

Granny Moss maiden name was Silvester this was what we were always told
Registration District St Thomas
Sarah Silvester Birth 1776 65yrs
Sarah Silvester Birth 1816 25yrs
Sarah Silvester Birth 1838 3yrs

Also Registration District Exeter
Sarah Silvester Birth 1806 35 yrs
Sarah Silvester Birth 1811 30 yrs

We understand that our family had lives in St Thomas Exeter for many generations.
Hope this helps
Pat

Hi Pat

Yet again, it's lovely to hear from you.

I see that you have a Sarah Silvester

This is the route that I've gone down:

Your Lucy and our Gordon were siblings:
Their mother was Lilian Violet Radmore
Lilian's mother was Lucy Jane Radmore (Moss)
Now - I have Lucy Jane's mother down as Elizabeth Moss (Silvester) - going off census records and Lucy's parents' marriage cert.

Was you always lead to believe that she was called Sarah? If so, I may need to revisit the info that I've already got.

Elizabeth's husband James Moss states that his father (on his marriage certificate) was Peter and this is the sticking point:

No birth details for James, no marriage details for James' parents. Peter (his father) was born in Italy.

I've been advised that he was probably from a village called Mossi (Gordon always said there was a Mossi in the family). Apparently (if what I've been told is right) even in Italy, Mossi is/was pronounced Moss, hence when he arrived in England, he would have said that he was called Moss. Peter Moss appears on a couple of census records, firstly with Priscilla (presuming this was James' mother although can't be certain). She died a year before Peter married his second wife and on that marriage certificate he says that his father was Joseph, a farmer. Peter changed his dob on the census records, which doesn't help!

I think that's probably enough for now. I have all the relevant dates but would be interested in hearing about your Sarah!

I "think" we have an absolutely beautiful photo of your mum with her mum Lilian. We think it's your mum Lucy as Lilian looks younger in that photo than she does on a photo with Lucy's younger siblings... I've had a go at attaching it to see if you can tell(!) Hope it works. I have another photo of an older girl, with her father William, but again we can't be sure if it is your mum. I must try to work out how to e-mail you (haven't used this forum for a while).

Anyway, look forward to speaking again soon.

edit - Pat needs to make three moderated posts, then wait for her user name to turn green before you can contact her by private message -dave

 

[Patricia Crowe]

Hi
We understand that Sarah Silvester was Elizabeth Moss mother.I think you are right about Moss as we were told that it came from a Italian name.
Lovely photo of my Mum with nanny Bye. Are you married to Bernard?
Love to hear from you again.
Pat