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Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

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Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Just found this thread. New member. Can't figure this site out yet. However, having spent a while on BMD, I've researched back as far as my father's mother's mother Annie Maria Salmon from Colchester (md. William Shepperd/Shepherd in Colchester 1865, I think, maybe) d. 'age 81' Tavistock Dec 1922.
Therefore Annie was probably the one born Colchester June 1845.
Trouble is, it looks like Annie was born Anna, plus there are lots of Maria Salmons, Annie Salmons, Anna Maria Salmons and Annie Marias and Annie M's and then there's husband William Shepperd who was probably registered at birth as Shepherd. It seems that 90% of births in Colchester were Salmons and Shepperds/Shepherds. My head hurts.
One thing I know for sure is that Annie (Anna?) and William Shepperd/Shepherd ran the Temperance Hotel (now the Ordulph Arms) in Tavistock from 1878 to 1912. And they had a daughter ... Annie! My grandmother. I think.
I'd love to straighten some of this out, so, if anyone's 'been there - done that' and would be kind enough to help me out... very grateful. I'd post my direct email address if I knew it was allowed.
The mere fact that this thread is headed Annie M Salmon just shows what a big, complex issue this is.
 
Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Hello hkhi,

I've started a topic on the English board for you because my old topic was a bit misleading. SALMON was a married name for WILLIAMS.

We will try to answer your query here.

Regards,

Dave
 
Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Here's 1901 for the peeps, I hope this helps :)
3 Pym St Tavistock
William Shepperd 59/54? Coffee House Keeper own account at home
Annie M 56 Proprietress own account at home
Percy W 26 assistant worker
all born Colchester

ozn
Added birth Percy Dillerson Shepherd
Colchester sep qtr 1874.

1891 census listed as Percy D.

Census courtesy of National Archives copyright
 
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Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Hi hkhi

The fact the family are at the Temperance hotel all that time makes following them back to 1881 very easy.
The interesting thing is they were married 49 years ie 1863 give or take, and they had 5 children all alive in 1910
I won't quote the actual returns but list the ref nos, just in case
1901 RG13 2116 37 27
1891 RG12 1749 84 4
1881 RG11 2217 112 6

In 1881 we have children Annie E.M, William C, Lilian L and Percy D, which leaves one missing

1871 RG10 1689 87 17.
William 26 Mariner Colchester
Annie M 25 Colchester
William C 11m Colchester

looking for Annie E.M. I found this
RG10 1687 17 2
Joseph Salmon 62
Mary 71
Frederick 34
Charles 31
James Salmon 16 G. Son
Florence K Shepperd 6 G.dau
Anne E.M Shepperd 2 G.dau


Marriage William Sheppard to Annie Maria Salmon Dec 1865 Colchester ref 4a 506.
So Florence looks like the fifth child born about the time William married.

I think that this confirms your thinking back to 1865. I wouldn't get too hung up re the spelling of names. You have to bear in mind that a lot of people could not read or write, so the records were written as the names sounded.
Shepperd is a good example, and annie could be written as ann e. etc.

dave
 
Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Just asking if you have Anne Maria Salmon 6 yrs in 1851 census Colchester with her folks & siblings??

Cheers
oznannie
 
Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Hi
1861 includes Annie

RG number:RG09 Piece:1100 Folio:22 Page:11

SALMON, Joseph Head Married M 53 1808 Pipe Maker Great Clacton Essex
SALMON, Mary Wife Married F 61 1800 Colchester Essex
SALMON, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 27 1834 Pipe Trimmer Colchester
SALMON, Charles Son Unmarried M 21 1840 White Smith Colchester Essex
SALMON, Joseph Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Carpenter Colchester Essex
SALMON, Annie Daughter F 16 1845 Dressmaker Colchester Essex
SALMON, James Grandson M 6 1855 Scholar Colchester Essex

Registration District:Colchester
Sub District:3 Colchester Third Ward
Enumeration District:2

Civil Parish:St Nicholas
Municipal Borough:Colchester
Address:Maidenburgh Street, St Nicholas, Colchester Essex

dave
 
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Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Hi again

1851
RG number:HO107 Piece:1781 Folio:523 Page:15

SALMON, Joseph Head Married M 42 1809 Pipe Maker Gt Clacton Essex
SALMON, Mary Wife Married F 51 1800 Colchester Essex
SALMON, Emma Daughter F 17 1834 Colchester Essex
SALMON, Frederick Son M 14 1837 Colchester Essex
SALMON, George Son M 13 1838 Scholar Colchester Essex
SALMON, Charles Son M 11 1840 Scholar Colchester Essex
SALMON, Joseph Son M 8 1843 Scholar Colchester Essex
SALMON, Anne Maria Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar ColchesterEssex

Registration District:Colchester
Sub District:Third Ward
Enumeration District:1B

Civil Parish:St Nicholas
Municipal Borough:Colchester
Address:Maidenburgh Street, St Nicholas, Colchester Essex

dave
 
Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Hi
I notice on the 1871 census, William was a mariner.
Is this him in 1861 and did he lie about his age as he is 4 years older.

RG number:RG09 Piece:4449 Folio:58 Page:1

SHEPPARD, William Unmarried M 23 1838 Ord Seaman Colchester Essex


Shipping At Sea and in Ports Abroad
on board vessel William Frances (looks like Frances but not certain)

dave
 
Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Hi

1851
RG number:HO107 Piece:1781 Folio:160 Page:8

RAND, John B Head Married M 52 1799 Painter Colchester Essex
RAND, Eliza Wife Married F 47 1804 Charsfield Suffolk
RAND, William W Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Tailor Brightlingsea Essex
SHEPPARD, Emma Daughter-In-Law Unmarried F 24 1827 Dressmaker Ipswich Suffolk
SHEPPARD, Eliza Daughter-In-Law Unmarried F 16 1835 Shoe Binde Colchester Essex
SHEPPARD, William Son-In-Law Unmarried M 9 1842 Scholar Colchester Essex



Registration District:Colchester
Sub District:First Ward
Enumeration District:3C

Civil Parish:St Giles
Municipal Borough:Colchester
Address:Butt Road, St Giles, Colchester Essex

Marriage John Rand to Eliza Sheperd Mar 1845 Colchester ref 12-83

1841
RG number:HO107 Piece:344 Book/Folio:12 Page:19

SHEPPARD, John M 42 1799 Essex
SHEPPARD, Eliza F 36 1805 Essex
SHEPPARD, George M 13 1828 Essex
SHEPPARD, Mary F 11 1830 Essex
SHEPPARD, Charles M 8 1833 Essex
SHEPPARD, Eliza F 6 1835 Essex

Registration District:Colchester
Sub District:Third Ward


Civil Parish:All Saints
Municipal Borough:Colchester
Address:
Castle Bailey, All Saints, Colchester Essex

dave
 
Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

I echo the expression of gratitude to Dave.

As for the possibility of William Shepperd having lied about his age in 1861 at least, that's the only way that lots of other info can be made to make sense. He surely must have been born in 1841 in Colchester, but I have two births of William Shepherd (sic) in Colchester for 1841. Which one married Anna(ie) in 1865, and was therefore my g-grandfather?

The 1858 birth of Annie Maria Salmon in Colchester is, for me, a red herring (ha-ha!). My g-grandmother, known as Annie Maria, is actually birth-registered as Anna Maria Salmon qtr. June 1845 Colchester 12[61]. The bmd people seem to have recently adjusted an entry after I sent them a suggested problem. My g-grandmother, who became Annie M Shepperd, died in Tavistock in 1923 aged 78, a year after William. One of their daughters, Annie Emma M Shepperd b. 1868 was my grandmother. I'm reasonably confident about all this now.


Dave's references in no.9 to William's being a mariner is the greatest find for me. My father (William's grandson) inherited in the early fifties some extraordinarily ornate antique Chinese blackwood furniture and a magnificent (sorry) ivory Chinese junk under a bell-shaped glass dome. As a boy, I somehow picked up the family story that William had been on the China clippers - so that would have been about the years 1860-70+. He seems to have 'come ashore' and taken the Temperance Hotel in Tavistock in 1878. A bit of a story there, one would think - an ex-mariner as proprietor of a Temperance Hotel.

It was a bit of a year for my family, 1878. While the new proprietor was readying for the opening of the Temperance Hotel in Tavistock, with his doubtlessly excited 12-y-o daughter Annie, in far-off London the Brixton-born 13-y-o son of Tavistock native John Walters was beginning a 43-year career at the spanking-new Holborn Bars headquarters building of the ambitious Prudential Assurance Company.

Not until 1899 would they marry.

The ship 'William Frances' I have been unable to trace (I only have Google to help, after all). There was a William and Francis ship in the 1630s which was a member of the fleet that took Puritans to New England. I'm wondering if the name was carried forward down the generations of shipowners. Does that sort of thing happen?

It seems that the majority of ships in the China trade at that time (from the UK and the US in particular) did stop in Hong Kong. As that's where I am, maybe I should start looking here for records of ships calling.

Sorry if this is of no relevance to other Annie M Salmon researchers.
 
Re: Annie M SALMON - who are her parents?

Hi
I notice on the 1871 census, William was a mariner.
Is this him in 1861 and did he lie about his age as he is 4 years older.

RG number:RG09 Piece:4449 Folio:58 Page:1

SHEPPARD, William Unmarried M 23 1838 Ord Seaman Colchester Essex


Shipping At Sea and in Ports Abroad
on board vessel William Frances (looks like Frances but not certain)

dave

I should very much like to have a look at the entry for William Sheppard on board the 'William Frances' in the 'Shipping at Sea and in Ports Abroad' census. Any ideas how I could go about this?
 
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