Re: Help Please. Marriage.

[Shelaghb]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

If this is in the wrong place, can you please move it to where it should be.

My Mother - Jessie Burgess (nee Redgrave)
Born 26 January 1914

Her Parents:
Jessie Redgrave married William Burgess 31 December 1910

I think I am correct in saying that Jessie Redgrave was born on the 1st August 1890 (but will have to double check that)

It is the Redgrave side I am trying to track down.

According to what little information I have gathered my Grandmother is showing on the 1891 census as being the 8 month old daughter of James (31) and Maggie Redgrave (23) of Farnworth- James showing as coming from Camberwell and Maggie from Hammersmith. It also states that she had a sister called Maggie, which tally's with what I remember.

On the 1901 census – the family has increased and included a son named Charles, which again rings true from what I had been told. However, on this census Maggie is now listed as Margaret and says she comes from Camberwell. I realise the first census probably used Maggie instead of Margaret and on the later census it would appear that possible Camberwell was used as convenience for the two rather than actual fact.

This is where I seem to draw a blank – I have tried several marriage searches on James and Maggie (or Margaret) taking into account the age difference of 10 years, but as yet haven’t received any results. There is a possible, at Bethnall Green, but I am unsure.

Do hope this makes sense.

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

I have moved your post to the Marriages Forum.

IF I have the right family in 1911 census, James Henry Redgrave is married to a Lucy(2nd marriage).

James Henry Redgrave, gives his p.o.b as KILBURN, London.

Sons, James(b.1897.Patricroft, Lancs) & Charles(b.1899. Salford, Lancs), plus Elsie Redgrave(b.1904. Salford) are living with them.

Marriage Reg.

James H Redgrave
Oct-Nov-Dec 1910
Reg dist- Salford
Lancashire
Volume - 8d
Page - 126.

Bride listed as Lucy Crick.

So Margaret/Maggie, had died between 1904 & 1910, I think.

If you can obtain his marriage cert to Lucy Crick, at least you should get his fathers name.

And if you can find Margaret/Maggies death cert, it may contain her date of birth.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Hmmmm. There is a death in 1907 for a Charlotte M Redgrave, and gives birth year of 1869, which ties in with her year of birth in census.

Death Reg.

Charlotte M Redgrave
Est Birth Year: abt 1869
Apr-May-Jun 1907
Age at Death: 38
Reg dist. Salford
Lancashire
Vol - 8d
Page - 91.


I can't find no other deaths in that timescale.?

Not sure if this is helping.


Steve.

 

[Shelaghb]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Ah Thank You p.risboy.

The death of a one Charlotte M Redgrave is something I didn't mention as I thought it may muddy the waters, and I only have hearsay to go off.

My Grandmother Jessie Burgess (nee Redgrave) died at the age of 38, when my Mum was 15 years of age. Apparently, my Mum was quite concerned when she was approaching this age, as she had heard that her Grandmother had died at the age of 38, as did her Mum.

Do you think I should be looking for a Charlotte M Regrave who married James - and would you say your first find is the same James Redgrave, who remarried. So I wonder where Jessie and Maggie went??? - Sorry, thinking allowed

Believe me, I am not being lazy, I think I just lack confidence.

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Maggie Redgrave married John Bright Jones b.1881. Salford, Lancs.

Maggie Redgrave
Apr-May-Jun 1910
Reg district - Salford
Lancashire
Volume - 8d
Page - 92.

In the 1911 census, they are living at 33, Alder St. Seedley, Manchester.

Civil parish of Pendleton.

Reg district of Salford.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Jessie is married to William Burgess b.1889. Salford. Living at 6, West Stanley St., Salford.



Steve.

 

[gortonboy]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Marriage: 24 Dec 1910 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
James Henry Redgrave - 49 Carter Widower of 8 Commission St.
Lucy Crick - Cook Spinster of 8 Commission St.
Groom's Father: Charles Redgrave, (deceased), Traveller
Bride's Father: Thomas Crick, Gas Fitter
Witness: William Burgess; Elizabeth Crick
Married by Banns by: Buckley Carr
Register: Marriages 1910 - 1914, Page 10, Entry 20
Source: LDS Film 1786370

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Elsie Redgrave(c1904. Salford), may have married Henry S. Addy, in 1937 Salford.

Elsie Redgrave
Spouse Surname - Addy
Oct-Nov-Dec 1937
Reg district - Salford
Lancashire
Volume - 8d
Page - 692


Steve.

 

[gortonboy]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Marriage: 31 Dec 1910 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
William Burgess - 22 Carter Bachelor of 11 Commission St.
Jessie Redgrave - 20 Housekeeper Spinster of 8 Commission St.
Groom's Father: George Burgess, Labourer
Bride's Father: James Henry Redgrave, Carter
Witness: William Armstrong; Ada Burgess
Married by Banns by: A. W. Thompson, Rector
Register: Marriages 1910 - 1914, Page 13, Entry 25
Source: LDS Film 1786370

 

[gortonboy]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Marriage: 14 May 1910 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
John Bright Jones - 29 Carrier Bachelor of 13 Port Erin St.
Maggie Redgrave - 21 Spinster of 8 Commission St.
Groom's Father: John Jones, Carrier
Bride's Father: James Redgrave, Carter
Witness: William Burgess; Jessie Redgrave
Married by Banns by: A. W. Thompson, Rector
Register: Marriages 1906 - 1910, Page 219, Entry 437
Source: LDS Film 1786370

 

[davelambert271]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Found this 1871 census,

Charles Redgrove 32 Walworth,
Julia 34 Walworth Laundress
Rose 13 Walworth
Charlotte 11 Walworth
James 12 Walworth
Edward ?arvey 21 Walworth
living Newington, Lambeth

EDIT - THIS JAMES IS A CHILD OF JULIA VANGO, TO HER FIRST MARRIAGE, AND NOT CONNECTED

dave

 

[Shelaghb]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Thank you so much for your help. I think I will go with the details from Lucy Crick's marriage, that should give me the information to move forward.

Regards

Shelaghb

 

[Shelaghb]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

I have just checked back to see all the suggestions put forward = there is so much of that information that does all fit with stuff I have been told.

I do thank you all so much for the effort you have made on my behalf.

Regards

Shelaghb

 

[Shelaghb]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Elsie Redgrave(c1904. Salford), may have married Henry S. Addy, in 1937 Salford.

Elsie Redgrave
Spouse Surname - Addy
Oct-Nov-Dec 1937
Reg district - Salford
Lancashire
Volume - 8d
Page - 692


Steve.

This is a definate - I remember being taken to see this lady when I was a little girl - surname stuck = thanks

 

[gortonboy]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

possible death for James


Name: REDGRAVE, James H

Registration district Salford

County Lancashire

Year 1947

Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar

Age at death:86

Volume no 10F

Page no 745

 

[p.risboy]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

All the witnesses in the various marriages, tie this together nicely.

Still not found James Henry Redgrave birth reg though......but that will be another thread, I suppose.


Steve.

 

[davelambert271]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

There is a tree on A--Y which gives James parents as Charles and Julia formerly Vango nee Bain. (subject of my post no 10) This info taken from the 1871 census. Trouble is on the 1861 census James is James Walter. He is on later census records ie 1891/1901 married to Fanny which conflict with James H who married Maggie

dave

 

[Shelaghb]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Following on from post original post of the 16th. I have now obtained a birth certificate for my Grandmother Jessie Redgrave listed as living in Farnworth - Her date of birth was the 1st August 1890. It gives her mothers name as Maggie Hinchcliff.

Bearing in mind that there is a death recorded for one Charlotte Margaret Redgrave in 1907, which I have a strong feeling is Maggie, I have searched for a marriage between James Henry Redgrave and Charlotte/Margaret Hinchcliff, but as yet found nothing.

Can anyone offer advice as to what I could try next - I really would like to find this record if possible, as I am very interested in this female line.

Thanks

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Hello,

Does the birth certificate for Jessie list the father as James REDGRAVE without any middle name?

So far I'm having no luck finding a marriage in England that fits.

Regards,

Dave

 

[Shelaghb]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Hello Dave,

First of all, thanks for your input.

The birth of Jessie registered the Father as James Redgrave (no Henry) of Plodder Lane Farnworth and his occupation as Grocer's Assistant.

However, in the Signature, description and residence of informant column it says, Mr Regrave, Mother, of Plodder Lane - maybe a slip of the pen and should read Mrs Redgrave???, just noticed that. Mother is registered as Maggie Redgrave formerly Hinchcliff. It does appear that it is a Hinchcliff without an 'e'.

I have found a Charlotte Margt Hinchcliff registered in London on the 1881 census aged 12, which would fit with 'Maggie', and showing she lived with Grandparents on Lambeth Road.


Thanks

Shelagh

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: Help Please. Marriage.

Hello Shelagh,

I think the name could appear in records with or without the 'e' - it's that sort of name.

I eliminated 6 possible 'first' marriages for 'Maggie' working on the possibility Hinchcliff(e) was not the name in the marriage to James.

I'm stuck at the moment.

Regards,

Dave