Richard Ives. b.1866. Southwark St George, London

[p.risboy]

This chap is lost in 1891 & 1901 census.

His parents are Wright(aka.Henry)Ives & Jane Ives(nee.Piercy).

At home in 1871 & 1881, in High Wycombe, Bucks. and again in 1911, and got married to Elizabeth Mary Wingrove, in 1909, Wycombe.

His father worked in the Furniture trade, as a chair back maker.

Can he be found in those 2 census era's please.

There is a Richard Ives, born Spitalfields, but a doubt that is he, but then again, maybe it is.

Anyway, thanks for looking.

Steve.

 

[oznannie]

Hi Steve, you probably his death in Wycombe 1914 aged 47 years.
Free BMD.

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Steve, you probably his death in Wycombe 1914 aged 47 years.
Free BMD.

Yes Oznan, and I got his burial.:biggrin:

I wonder if he was in prison, and got sent to Oz.:2fun:

 

[oznannie]

Steve!! I hope Richard didn't get here for free, it cost me 10 quid!!
How about Richard Aves 1891 boarding St Pancras 24 French polisher next to it it looks like labr or cabn???
Just a thought with his Dad being in the furniture business.
Ozn

 

[oznannie]

Lo tis me again, a tree in Anc has a Ena Mary Ives bn 1895 Belfast as his daughter?? Perhaps she was the daughter of his wife??LDS have her in 1911 boarding in Wycombe via FMP, can't find her in Anc.
Cheers
Ozn

 

[p.risboy]

Thanks Oznan.

I think that tree is so full of black holes, at it has only the 1911 census on it.:2fun:

They have the right parents, but as for Richard's birth and beyond, it's pure speculation. I'm not saying the tree owners Richard, didn't marry in Ireland, but that tree has his wife born in Cumberland, and in 1911, she's born in Milton(Malsor), in Northants.

Her maiden name in my tree is Elizabeth Mary Wingrove, b.1868 @ Milton, Northants. Got her parents family back to Bradenham, Bucks, and Milton, Northants.

The marriage occured in High Wycombe, All Saints Church in 1909, but there has been mistake in the registers. One has page 1893 for Elizabeth Mary Wingrave, and the one for Richard Ives, is page 183, which is correct.:biggrin:

I will admit I haven't bought the cert, but logic dictates, and other records found, I am right. BUT....you never know.

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

I've been investigating the Richard Ives c.1861. Spitalfields, in the 1901 census.
He married Mary Norton (c1875.Spitalfields), on the 17th May 1900. Stepney.

In 1911, Mary Norton c1823. Bishopsgate, has a Grandaughter Alice Ives c1902. Fulham, with her. Alice Mary Ives was baptised 4th Aug 1901, Waltham Green. Fathers occupation is a carman, same as in the 1901 census.

The marriage of Richard George Ives, give his fathers name as James Ives(decd), occ. French Polisher.

1901 census has Mary Norton c1823, as Mother in law.

A possible death for Mary Ives(nee.Norton), b1875 dies 1904 in Chelsea.

But, as it turns out, Richard George Ives is not mine, nor all what I've entered in this reply.:'(

His father James Ives was born c1825. Spitalfields, occ. French polisher..

AND, this Richard Ives is on his own in Fulham, in the 1911 census, widowed, and occ. Carman......so that counts this one out.

Now I have found another Richard Ives. c1861. Surrey, London, Occ. Enniskillen Dragoons, in Convalescent Hospital, in Much Woolton St Peter, Liverpool.

Oh well, the hunt goes on.


Steve.

 

[Ladybird1300]

A possible for 1901:

Name: Richard Ives
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Much Woolton
Search Photos: Search for 'Much Woolton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Much Woolton St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

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Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Much Woolton
ED, institution, or vessel: Liverpool Convalescent Hospital
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3509
Folio: 127
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 1

Amanda

 

[oznannie]

Interesting about Enniskillen, so daughter Ena could be his born in N.I??
OzN
thanks for info..

 

[p.risboy]

Interesting about Enniskillen, so daughter Ena could be his born in N.I??
OzN
thanks for info..

I think I might be able to get that Belfast birth cert for Ena/Eva, from the GRO in Roscommon, S.Ireland. €4 for a research copy.

She's not in the 1901 or 1911 Ireland census though.

I'll get the cert and see who the parents are.

Steve.


PS. From Wikipedia.

The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers was an Irish line infantry regiment of the British Army in existence from 1881 until 1968. The regiment was formed in 1881 by the amalgamation of the 27th (Inniskilling) Regiment of Foot and the 108th Regiment of Foot.


The 108th Regiment of Foot (Madras Infantry) was an infantry regiment of the British Army from 1862 to 1881, when it was amalgamated into The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers.

 

[p.risboy]

Just back from the Irish GRO, and got Eva(Ena) Mary Ives, 1895 birth cert. (Eva is crossed through, and Ena inserted).

Father, Richard Ives(Occ.Labourer), mother Elizabeth Ives(nee.Sloan). Born 14 March 1895, 13, Kilmood Road, Belfast. Informant was Agnes Milligan, present at birth. Registered, 19th March 1895.

Found a possible marriage, A/M/J - 1891. Dublin South. One of the brides listed is Elizabeth Sloan, and other brides listed as Elizabeth Chambers, Mary Murphy, Margaret Staffard/Margaret Stafford.

BUT, there is also another marriage, in 1895 for a Richard Ives, in Dublin North., to either, Rose McCabe, Frances Mary Byrne, Frances Mary Andrews, Anne M'Nally or Maria Harper.

Looking at the Ireland 1901 census, there is a Richard Ives, c1871. Dublin, with wife Annie. With children, Mary(c1896), John(c.1898 ) and Christopher(c1897 ). Everyone in household born Dublin.

Then in 1901 again, there is another Richard Ives(aged 45 or 65), with wife Margaret(aged 60). Both born Dublin.

So it looks like it's back to the GRO at some point, for the 1891 marriage cert. just to find out his fathers name.:2fun:

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

I got the 1891 marriage cert in North Dublin, and it's the right one.:biggrin:

I also bought the 1895 cert as well......just in case, and it's the wrong one.

I've still not traced the death of his wife, Elizabeth(nee.Sloan), no age given on cert. But she was a widow, previously married to a Mr.Chambers.

I haven't been able to trace Eva/Ena Mary Ives, no death or marriage.

Oh, and by the way, Richard Ives occupation on the marriage cert, is a private in the 4th Dragoon Guards.:biggrin:

So, in the Guards in June 1891, and a laborer by the time of his daughters birth in March 1895.

Steve.