Richmond - Phillips

[vallartagirl]

A car accident took the lives of both my great-grandparents in England. No one knows what county...but some thoughts were, Essex, Middlesex Their names were:

Alice Richmond? or Alice Phillips
John Phillips? 0r John Richmond?

I have no dates to follow up on. My grandmother was born on July 30,1894 and I do know her sister Lillian was a little older than her.

This accident could have took place between the years 1894 to 1909 just guessing! My grandmother married my grandfather in 1918, but since the girls were adopted sometime earlier, I am allowing about a generous lapse in time.

They were friends with a Col. Guy Stanhope Kinner and his wife Laura. When they were killed in the car accident, Mr. & Mrs. Kinnear took my Grandmother Alice Maud and her older sister Lillian back to New Brunswick, Canada. Not sure if it was a legal adoption, or if it was just okay to do that in those days?

I would so appreciate it if anyone could find information on the car accident, or any other thing that might help me further my search.

With appreciation and sincere gratitude.
(vallartagirl)

 

[juliejtp]

Hi,

Found Canadian Soliders WW1 Officers declaration paper for Guy Stanhope Kinnear

Unit 115th Batl. CEF rank Major
Canadian overseas expeditionary force
Unit or active militia 8th ----- ------ hussars
Former miitary service 21yrs officer 8th hussars

Reisdence Sussex, New Brunswick
DOB 1-8-1870
Birth location West Co, New Brunswick,
Relative Laura Elizabeth Kinnear wife
Occupation farmer
Religion Church of England

 

[dochines]

A car accident took the lives of both my great-grandparents in England. No one knows what county...but some thoughts were, Essex, Middlesex Their names were:

Alice Richmond? or Alice Phillips
John Phillips? 0r John Richmond?

I have no dates to follow up on. My grandmother was born on July 30,1894 and I do know her sister Lillian was a little older than her.

This accident could have took place between the years 1894 to 1909 just guessing! My grandmother married my grandfather in 1918, but since the girls were adopted sometime earlier, I am allowing about a generous lapse in time.

The first fatal car accident in the UK occured in february 1898, so that may help to narrow the dates a little for you. These accidents were headline news at the turn of the century. It would be worth looking in the Times newspaper index to see if you can trace it any further

Best wishes

dochines

 

[juliejtp]

Guy was still single by the 1901 Canadian census

Province New Brunswick, district Kings, sub district Sussex.

John M Kinear age 54 born NB occ post master
EH wife age 50 born NB
Guy S son age 31 born NB occ farmer
LU dau age 24 born NB
JM son age 19 occ bank clerk born NB

 

[juliejtp]

Still nothing yet on Alice and Lillian but found Guy and Laura deaths

Guy Stanhope Kinnear 7-16-1944 county Kings
Laura Kinnear 6-3-1944 county kings

 

[vallartagirl]

Hi,

Dear Julie...thank you for that information. Did you see the last post? I am not sure how to use this program...But I gave information on a car accident that my great-grandparents were both killed in. Date unknown. Can you help on this one?

So much appreciated...
Sincerely
Lynda

 

[juliejtp]

Yes I did see your last post. As I see it Guy wasnt married on the 1901 census, so I would think that the accident was after that. It would be difficult to look them up on the death index as there is uncertainty to their surname and where they were killed. As Dochrines suggested it would be worth looking in the Time Newspaper index. Heres a link to the Times Digital .
Archives.

http://www.galegroup.com/Times/index.htm

Have also looked on the English 1901 census, but have not found that family together.

 

[Greg Haley]

Hello,
Not sure if this thread is still being monitored. If it is, I can provide information on Col. Kinnear and wife, nee Laura Murray. They were married in 1902. I did not know they had adopted children. Their obituaries make no mention.

 

[vallartagirl]

Greg...
Thank you so much for your information.

I didn't know that Guy Stanhope Kinnear had siblings. If you have copies of the obituaries for him and his wife Laura...I would sure appreciate having them.

From what I have been told...(this is hearsay of course....from my Aunt who it 90 years old to date)

Alice Maud Richmond Phillips (and her sister Lillian) lived with the Kinnears for several years. My aunt seems to think that Lillian (my grandmothers older sister somehow wangled Guy and Lauras estate). That is not of interest to me. I have no information about Lillian. I know that she was married and had one son...don't even know their last names.

My aunt told me that the Kinnears didn't want my grandmother to marry my grandfather (George Orbin Chute) because well, I guess in those days it really mattered, he wasn't very well to do.

Any info you may have gathered would be most appreciated. And, where do you fit into the Kinnear Family...just curious?

Thanks Greg...
Sincerely
Lynda

 

[Greg Haley]

Lynda,
I will look for the obits. I am quite sure no natural or adopted children were mentioned. Mrs. Kinnear was my grandfather's 2nd cousin, and was born on a farm less than a quarter-mile distant from my grandfather's home farm. .

Greg

 

[benny1982]

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[Greg Haley]

If that is site policy so be it, but I would have preferred otherwise.

 

[Greg Haley]

Lynda,
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Greg

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[benny1982]

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[vallartagirl]

Greg Haley...Looking to see if you have any new information that might be of help re my arduous search for any link to my grandmother's heritage. Alice Maud (Richmond) Phillips married to George Orbin Chute.

 

[davelambert271]

I'm not sure what info you have
there is this marriage

Acadia, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1670-1946
about Georges orbin Chute

Name:
Georges orbin Chute
[Geo Orbin Chute]

Spouse:
Alice Maud Richmond Philipps - emigrated to Canada 1908

Event Year:
1908-1919

Event:
Mariage (Marriage)

Religion:
Catholique

Place of Worship or Institution:
St-Jean (Bureau de Santé)

Province:
Acadie (Nova Scotia and New Brunswick) (New Brunswick)

Alice's age is given as 21, which if she was born 1894 would make it in 1915
Parents are given as Bucket and Sophie
Alice is given as born England, looks like Sussex
George was a soldier aged 22 born Canada

from another sorce
George's father - William Bugett Fowler Chute
mother - Sophia Katherine Oicle Chute.

dave

 

[davelambert271]

1911 Census of Canada

Name: Orbin Chute

Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 15
Birth Date: Mar 1895
Birthplace: Nova Scotia
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: Burkett W Chute
Mother's name: Sophia Chute
Tribal: English
Province: Nova Scotia
District: Annapolis
District Number: 37
Sub-District Number: 2
Place of Habitation: Pinney Cove

Burkett W Chute 60
Sophia Chute 46
Herbert Chute 29
Ernest Chute 25
Laurence Chute 17
Orbin Chute 15
Simeon Chute 12
Flosey Chute 10
Sadie Chute 8
Dorothy Chute 6
Grace Chute 4

 

[davelambert271]

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name:
Alice Phillips

Gender:
Female

Age:
13

Birth Date:
abt 1895

Departure Date:
16 May 1908

Port of Departure:
Liverpool, England

Destination Port:
Halifax, Canada

Ship Name:
Carthaginian

Shipping line:
Allan Line

Official Number:
89993

Master:
Edw Pitts

It looks like a party of children possibly under the care of Barnardo's or the like

 

[vallartagirl]

I found this information recently re:
PHILLIPS, ALICE MAUD R. – England?*
Born: 30 JUL 1894
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
After trying to find more info on this lead....

There was an Alice Phillips born 1894 in Westhampnett, Surrey England

(Some family members think they remember that my Grandmother said she was born in Surrey..)

Anyone out there who can look this up and let me know if they find anything.

Thanks so much.

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hi Vallartagirl

This looks like her birth:

Name: Alice Phillips
Registration Year: 1894
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Westhampnett
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 371

Could not find one with a middle name of Maud and Westhampnett is in Sussex



Amanda