Robert GILLIES & Ellen Sarah YOUNG

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

name: Ellen Sarah Young
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 29 May 1862
baptism/christening place: SAINT PETER,LIVERPOOL,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 18 Jul 1861
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Young
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: P02094-5
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 93890
reference number:

Marriages Jun 1852
Astley Ann Bury St Edmunds 4a 612
Young James Bury St Edmunds 4a 612

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Parents according to a tree but I'm not so sure:

Robert GILLIES & Mary DUNLOP
Marriage: 15 Feb 1848 Maybole, Ayr, Scotland

A son Robert born 1853 where?

Robert GILLIES junior married Ellen Sarah YOUNG - when ? where ?

A son born in Little Sutton:

Births Sep 1892
Gillies Kenneth James Wirral 8a 483

Robert junior, Ellen & children including Kenneth arrived in Australia. ???

Robert junior and Ellen Sarah died in NSW:

15505/1934 GILLIES ROBERT - ROBERT - MARY - BURWOOD
14419/1948 GILLIES ELLEN SARAH - JAMES - ANN - BURWOOD

Kenneth GILLIES - Enlisted Town Hall Sydney, NSW 14 Oct 1915 - S/N 4419 17th Bn Acting Company Quartermaster Sergeant - 23 yrs 4mo Broker - NOK mother Mrs E S [Ellen Sarah] Gillies living at 'Radstock' Lucas Rd Burwood, NSW - Embarked Sydney HMAT A71 'Nestor' 9 Apr 1916 - Served in France - Returned to Australia per HMAT 'Beltana' 15 May 1917 - Discharged 12 Jun 1917 medically unfit.

Kenneth married Clara PARK 1915 - 1924 Where ?

1924 VIC Electoral Roll - Melbourne - Latrobe
GILLIES Kenneth James, 56 Collins pl., clerk
GILLIES Clara, 56 Collins pl., home duties

Somehow a 'Blackdyke farm' comes into this.


Help! :2fun:

Regards,

Dave

 

[trace]

Don't know if this helps but...
1851 Census Bracklyres, Maybole (could this be mistranscription of Blackdykes)
Robert Gillies 27 Farmer 150 Acres b Irvine
Mary Gillies wife 29 b Irvine
Mary Gillies dau 2 b Maybole
+ 5 servants
1861 census High St irvine
Robert Gillies 38 Grocer b Irvine
Mary Dunlop wife 39 b Irvine
Mary Dunlop dau 12 b Mabole
William Dunlop son 9 b Mabole
Robert Dunlop son 7 b Glasgow
Catherine Dunlop dau 4 b Glasgow
George W Gillies son 1 b Irvine

Have only got the transcription so can't explain the surnames!!

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello trace,

Thank you very much.

I hope we can prove how it fits.

This lists a settlement called Blackdyke in Ayr:

http://www.scottish-places.info/counties/countydetails3.html

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello trace,

I have found this one but I'm not sure if it's the Robert I'm after:

1881
RG11 Piece / Folio 3661 / 92 Page 15
Census Place Everton, Lancashire, England
Dwelling 1 Seacome S4
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Robert GILLIES Head M Male 29 Scotland Cowkeeper (Milk Dealer)
Mary E. GILLIES Wife M Female 20 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ellen V. GILLIES Daur Female 1 Liverpool, Lancashire, England

It's not Sarah E. but could be this one - Edith Mary / Mary Edith:

Marriages Jun 1878
GILLIES Robert Liverpool 8b 204
Taylor Edith Mary Liverpool 8b 204


groom's name: Robert Gillies
groom's birth date: 1858
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 20
bride's name: Edith Mary Taylor
bride's birth date: 1856
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 22
marriage date: 04 Apr 1878
marriage place: St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: Robert Gillies
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: Peter Taylor
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M00749-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1656685
reference number: it 5, p 125, no 249


Father is Robert but age is out so not my Robert.

Where is he in 1871 and 1881 and should I be looking for a Robert DUNLOP marriage?

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I wonder if they are all children of Robert & Ellen. EDIT: Looks like it.

Births Dec 1887
Gillies Ronald Wirral 8a 435

Births Dec 1888
GILLIES Robert Wirral 8a 431

Births Mar 1890
Gillies Frank Wirral 8a 446

Births Sep 1892
Gillies Kenneth James Wirral 8a 483

Births Sep 1895
Gillies Annie Astley Wirral 8a 467

Astley = grandmother's name

 

[DaveHam9]

Possible marriage in NSW and Burwood fits:

10348/1915 GILLIES RONALD - KIRKLAND NELLA - BURWOOD

10391/1915 GILLIES FRANK - LEAVERS MILDRED G - BURWOOD

2731/1930 LESSLIE CHARLES G - GILLIES ANNIE A - BURWOOD

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths in NSW:

20728/1952 GILLIES RONALD - ROBERT - ELLEN SARAH - RYDE

16374/1953 GILLIES FRANK - ROBERT - ELLEN SARAH - BURWOOD

 

[DaveHam9]

A recap:

GILLIES Robert Death notice 23AUG1934 Death 80 at Burwood Sydney Morning Herald 24AUG1934

Robert GILLIES married Ellen Sarah YOUNG b. 1861 Liverpool.

Marriages Mar 1886
BERRY Thomas W. Derby 8b 720
FLYNN Martha Ann W. Derby 8b 720
Gillies Robert W. Derby 8b 720

The first reg for several children born in Little Sutton:

Births Dec 1887
Gillies Ronald Wirral 8a 435

Born in Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland Mr. Gillies, in his early years, was employed by the London Bank of Brazil at Pernambuca and Bania Brazil and later set up business in Liverpool, England as a rubber merchant, but owing to ill-health came to New South Wales in 1895.

 

[DaveHam9]

So it's possible Robert junior was not in UK in 1871 and 1881.

Born Irvine, Ayr abt 1853 - parents Robert & Mary but possibly not Mary DUNLOP.

Obituary says he arrived in NSW in 1895. I wonder if that arrival can be found - Gilies/Gillies.

GILLIES Unknown M 1895 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
GILLIES Unknown F 1895 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
GILLIES Child Unknown M 1895 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
GILLIES Child Unknown M 1895 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
GILLIES Child Unknown F 1895 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
GILLIES Christina S 1865 F 1895 Liverpool Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW


Children should be Ronald, Frank, Kenneth and Annie and possibly Robert. ???

 

[DaveHam9]

Born Irvine, Ayr about 1853 - parents Robert & Mary.

This does not fit:

name: Robert Gillies
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 19 Jun 1853
baptism/christening place: , DREGHORN, AYR, SCOTLAND
birth date: 02 Jun 1853
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Gillies
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margaret Lockhart
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11589-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1041339
reference number: - 2:16CQ2P9

Nor this one:

name: Robert Gillies
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 Oct 1852
baptism/christening place: , SORN, AYR, SCOTLAND
birth date: 18 Sep 1852
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Gillies
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jean Stewart
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11613-5
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1041468
reference number: - 2:16HMSTW

 

[DaveHam9]

I might even be in luck:

a Robert Gillies b. 1855 Irvine, Ayr

I'll pay for a copy of that one with the extra info on it.

name: Robert Young Gillies
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 26 Mar 1855
birthplace: IRVINE,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Malcolm Gillies
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Galt
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11595-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

Death reg says parents should be Robert & Mary. ???

I've seen nothing to indicate the Robert who married Sarah Ellen YOUNG had a middle name of Young.

 

[DaveHam9]

Obituary says born Irvine, Ayr and age at death in 1934 was 80. Not enough yet to say for sure it's the right one. The death reg has to be wrong and the tree has to be wrong with Mary DUNLOP for it to fit. And no use of the middle name in life. Enough doubt.