Robert Henry KENDALL

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Births Jun Qtr 1843
Kendall Robert Henry Whitehaven 25 161

1861
RG9 Piece 3946 Folio 99 Page 17
Civil Parish: St Bees
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Whitehaven
County: Cumberland
Registration District: Whitehaven
Sub-RD: Whitehaven
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 96
Robert Kendall Head 48
Mary Ann Kendall Wife 52
Robert Kendall son 19 Whitehaven, Cumberland
Ann Kendall 11
Thomas Kendal

Robert arrived ???

Married Ellen McCARTHY where and when? Before or after arrival?

Ellen was born in Ireland abt 1842.

Children perhaps not in order of birth but born where and when?

David John
Ellen Shepherd
Frances Elizabeth
Mary Ann
Sarah Ellen ** more important than the others re connection to my tree
Catherine
Samuel Shepherd

Dave

 

[gibbo]

What state did they live in?

 

[DaveHam9]

It is said that Sarah Ellen had a brother Jack who was born in Maryborough but no birth can be found in Queensland or Victoria. So some family connections to Qld., NSW and Victoria.

KENDALL Jack Gregory : Service Number - 6521 : Place of Birth - Maryborough QLD : Place of Enlistment - Melbourne VIC : Next of Kin - (Sister) HUGHES R A [HEWS]

Marriage in NSW 3941/1901 HEWS ROBERT A - KENDALL SARAH E - HAY

Marriage in Victoria:

Surname: BARRACLOUGH
Given Names: Dory May
Event: M
Spouse Surname: KENDALL
Spouse Gvn Names: Jack Gregory
Age:
Birth Place:
Year: 1920
Reg. Number: 1936

 

[DaveHam9]

Jack KENDALL - Enlisted 24 Jul 1916 - S/N 6521 5th Bn - 24 yrs Clerk living at 17 Princess Tce St Kilda Rd Melbourne, Vic - Embarked Melbourne, Vic HMAT A71 'Nestor' 2 Oct 1916 - Served in France - Wounded in Action - Returned to Australia per 'Karoa' 8 May 1919 - Discharged 28 Oct 1919


The middle name Shepherd comes from the KENDALL side in England - name in records also as SHEPPARD.


Sarah married in 1901 so that gives a rough idea of when she was born.

Jack born abt 1892.

 

[DaveHam9]

All born Victoria ??
Catherine 1867
Frances Elizabeth 1869
David John 1870
Mary Ann 1873
Samuel Shepherd 1876
Sarah Ellen 1879
Ellen Shepherd 1883
...
Jack Gregory 1892 ??


I can't see a marriage in England for Robert.

Marriage 1866 Victoria for a Robert KENDALL but spouse does not seem to be Ellen/Elinor/Eleanor McCARTHY/Mc CARTHY


Bealiba, Vic. ?? West of Bendigo and north of Maryborough.

 

[gibbo]

Im concerned about Jack Gregory 1892 No birth can be found and he seems to have been born way after the others

 

[DaveHam9]

Well his service record say sister R A HUGHES and the only possible match found so far is for Sarah Ellen KENDALL to a R A HEWS.

Searching for HUGHES or HEWS & KENDALL only turned up the one marriage.

I agree it's a bit of a problem in that the tree does not list Jack as one of the children.

We also have no death for Jack. Service record is clear on everything apart from pob and nok.

The 1920 marriage is quite clear with same middle name.


Death
Surname: HEWS
Given Names: Sarah Ellen
Father: Kendall Robert
Mother: Ellen McCARTHY
Death Place: BEND
Age: 88
Age Code:
Year: 1967
Reg Number: 1567
Event: D


That Sarah Ellen fits the tree for parents, although the tree has no marriage and no death for her.


Ok another problem. Jack born 1892 ??

Robert b. 1843 d. 1923
Ellen b. 1842 d. 1903

 

[DaveHam9]

It gets even stranger. :biggrin:

The death of married daughter Catherine:

993/1943 CUMMINS KATE - ROBERT HENRY - ELLEN - BALRANALD

The wife of Jack Gregory remarried but marriage not found:

Death
Surname: CUMMINS
Given Names: Dorothy May
Father: Barraclough He
Mother: Nellie MORTIMER
Death Place: CAUL
Age: 79
Age Code:
Year: 1978
Reg Number: 6197
Event: D

 

[DaveHam9]

This is very weird.

Birth 16782/1893 CUMMINS JOHN J - DANIEL F - KATE - HAY

Catherine KENDALL's son John Joseph CUMMINS married Dorothy BARRACLOUGH 20 Mar 1920 Malvern, Vic.

However Dorothy married Catherine's brother Jack also in Victoria in 1920 according to reg #1936 posted earlier.

 

[gibbo]

So have i got this right?

She married John Joseph CUMMINS in 1920 then married her uncle in law in 1936?

uncle in law = mother in laws brother

 

[DaveHam9]

No #1936 is the reg number. The year is 1920 so must have been Jan-Mar.

Post #3 has the marriage.

If Dorothy ONLY married CUMMINS then the 1920 marriage to Jack is a complete error. But he still exists. We have his service record saying a sister is Mrs R A HUGHES.

If Dorothy married Jack in say January 1920 and he died (we don't have him in E/R or a death) then she married John Joseph CUMMINS in March the same year. ???

 

[DaveHam9]

Searching TROVE in 1920 for either marriage. No luck.

Downloaded the 1911-1924 Victoria Divorce case file and no mention of BARRACLOUGH - KENDALL.


So what is going on?

Did Dorothy only marry John Joseph? Are they together in E/R?

Can Jack Gregory KENDALL be found after his discharge from the army in 1919?

 

[DaveHam9]

This is not the right death. Parents and age don't fit. The tree has no death for John.

2533/1965 CUMMINS JOHN JOSEPH - PATRICK - MARGARET - SYDNEY

CUMMINS John Joseph Death notice 16MAY1965 Death 79 late of Vaucluse Sydney Morning Herald 18MAY1965


A John Joseph CUMMINS died 5 Jan 1928, late of Longwood, grazier.

There are several including an uncle of the one who married Dorothy. Oh, it looks as though the uncle died in 1884.

What's the chance we have 2x Dorothy May/Mary BARRACLOUGHs? This is the birth of the one in my tree:

5898/1899 BARRACLOUGH DOROTHY M - ALBERT H - NELLIE - PADDINGTON
5898/1899 BARRACLOUGH DOROTHY M - ALFRED - NELLIE - PADDINGTON

Father was baptised Albert Herbert but it seems he was known as Alfred.

 

[DaveHam9]

Vic. on-line BMD 1920 marriage

CUMMINS John and BARRACLOUGH or Dorothy = no hit

The tree has the marriage as 20 Mar 1920 Malvern, Vic.

The tree has the right birth and death date for my Dorothy, but no parents listed.

Surname: CUMMINS
Given Names: Dorothy May
Father: Barraclough He
Mother: Nellie MORTIMER
Death Place: CAUL
Age: 79
Age Code:
Year: 1978
Reg Number: 6197
Event: D

Cemetery Springvale Botanical Cemetery
Given Names DOROTHY MAY
Surname CUMMINS
Religion UNITING CHURCH
Funeral Director JOHN ALLISON MONKHOUSE-CAULFIELD
Date of Service 23/03/1978
Date of Death 18/03/1978
Age 79
Date of Birth 02/01/1899
Burial Type CREMATION
Location Details Presbyterian - Monumental Compartment O Section 2 Grave 38
Public Grave Y/N N
Tenure Date In perpetuity - For all time

 

[DaveHam9]

CUMMINS John, late an inmate of the Hospital for Insane, Ararat, died on the 24th July 1933, interstate.

Too may John CUMMINS in Victoria.


The marriage of the parents of Dorothy in my tree:

2052/1898 BARRACLOUGH ALBERT H - MORTIMER NELLIE - WATERLOO

Fits with death for Dorothy May CUMMINS.

 

[horse]

There's something not quite right, I'll work through it and see if fresh eyes help...

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

There are several issues and a new one just came to light - re the new post to the deaths board. Seems the Victorian Digger BMD CD has errors. Most of my Victorian BMD details came off look ups some years ago from the CD and given to me via posts here or by email.

Could well be that there is only one Dorothy May and that the record with spouse as Jack Gregory KENDALL is an error. Even if he does not belong in my tree there is still a mystery to solve re his birth, death, parents and sister, Mrs R A HUGHES/HEWS.

Dave

 

[horse]

Ok, Dave - I'm looking through all posts in this thread...

 

[horse]

May or may not be significant that Samuel's death has his father as Henry Robert..

Sam Shepherd Kendall
Death Place: Footscray, Victoria
Age: 77
Father's Name: Henry Robert
Mother's Name: Ellen Mccarthy
Registration Year: 1955
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 4933
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

1955 death agrees with the tree. Still can't find the marriage to Ellen reversing the names for Robert.