Robert Hutchison TRENCH

[DaveHam9]

Mary b. 11 Mar 1838 Borthwick, Midlothian
George WEST & Grace
Batch: C116744 Twin of Catherine

Robert H. TRENCH & Mary WEST
24 Aug 1855 Borthwick, Midlothian
Batch: M116741

Image of 1855 marriage not fully transcribed yet.
Age 21 cooper - Alexander Trench, cooper (deceased) & Sarah Caw

Alexander b. 22 Apr 1857 Borthwick, Midlothian
Robert Hutchison TRENCH & Mary WEST
Batch: C116741


So far have not found Robert or Mary in 1861 or later. Have not found their deaths.

Have not found Robert or his parents in any census yet. Also don't have their deaths.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find a Sarah TRENCH/FRENCH on FreeCEN in 1851 in Midlothian.

Piece: SCT1851/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 694 Page: 1 Schedule: 1
Address: Silverfield
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
TRENCH Robert Head M M 65 Spirit Merchant Midlothian - Newbattle
TRENCH Jean Wife M F 64 Midlothian - Dalkeith
TRENCH Robt Grnson U M 17 Cooper Midlothian - North Leith
TRENCH John Grnson U M 15 Tailor Midlothian - St Cuthberts
TRENCH Sarah Grndau U F 13 Scholar Midlothian - South Leith
BELL Jane Visitr U F 26 Lanarkshire - Glasgow


1861
Registration No: 692/2
Registration District: Leith South
Civil Parish: Leith St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Roll: CSSCT1861_132
ED: 58
No of Schedule: 2
Address: Silverfield City Bonnington Rd
Robert Trench Head 52 Cooper Dalkeith Midlothian
Mary Trench Wife 49
Robt Trench son 27 Copper & Tinsmith Leith
Wm Trench son 22
Alex Trench son 14
Ander Trench son 12
Robt Trench Father 76 Rtd Drayman Newbattle


That's the same family and parents are not Alexander & Sarah.

 

[horse]

I can't find a Sarah TRENCH/FRENCH on FreeCEN in 1851 in Midlothian.

Piece: SCT1851/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 694 Page: 1 Schedule: 1
Address: Silverfield
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
TRENCH Robert Head M M 65 Spirit Merchant Midlothian - Newbattle
TRENCH Jean Wife M F 64 Midlothian - Dalkeith
TRENCH Robt Grnson U M 17 Cooper Midlothian - North Leith
TRENCH John Grnson U M 15 Tailor Midlothian - St Cuthberts
TRENCH Sarah Grndau U F 13 Scholar Midlothian - South Leith
BELL Jane Visitr U F 26 Lanarkshire - Glasgow

Is that Robert H family, Dave?

Geoff

 

[horse]

I can't find a Sarah TRENCH/FRENCH on FreeCEN in 1851 in Midlothian.

Piece: SCT1851/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 694 Page: 1 Schedule: 1
Address: Silverfield
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
TRENCH Robert Head M M 65 Spirit Merchant Midlothian - Newbattle
TRENCH Jean Wife M F 64 Midlothian - Dalkeith
TRENCH Robt Grnson U M 17 Cooper Midlothian - North Leith
TRENCH John Grnson U M 15 Tailor Midlothian - St Cuthberts
TRENCH Sarah Grndau U F 13 Scholar Midlothian - South Leith
BELL Jane Visitr U F 26 Lanarkshire - Glasgow


1861
Registration No: 692/2
Registration District: Leith South
Civil Parish: Leith St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Roll: CSSCT1861_132
ED: 58
No of Schedule: 2
Address: Silverfield City Bonnington Rd
Robert Trench Head 52 Cooper Dalkeith Midlothian
Mary Trench Wife 49
Robt Trench son 27 Copper & Tinsmith Leith
Wm Trench son 22
Alex Trench son 14
Ander Trench son 12
Robt Trench Father 76 Rtd Drayman Newbattle


That's the same family and parents are not Alexander & Sarah.

Yeah, that 1861 keeps coming back, but no wife, Mary

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Piece: SCT1841/683 Place: Dalkeith -Midlothian ED: 9
Civil Parish: Dalkeith Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 9 Page: 13
Address: High Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HUTCHISON Alexander M 35 Carter Midlothian
HUTCHISON Jean F 35 Outside Census County (1841)
HUTCHISON Andrew M 11 Midlothian
HUTCHISON William M 8 Midlothian
HUTCHISON John M 3m Midlothian
TRENCH Alexander M 25 Cooper Journeyman Midlothian

 

[DaveHam9]

Not near a main line, Geoff.

Two sisters of George West ended up in NSW and one married a Sands.

But parents don't fit those listed on Robert's marriage.

Alexander & Sarah not Robert & Mary.

The 1841 is very interesting with the names TRENCH and HUTCHISON. Where is Sarah and son Robert H.?

 

[DaveHam9]

I have a copy of the 1855 marriage but have not transcribed the lot. Rather difficult to read so it will end up in pieces on the Documents board.

Two pieces posted.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find a Sarah as French or Trench in Midlothian in 1841 or 1851.

I can't find her death.

The only Sarah Caw birth/baptism in SP is this one.

CAW SARAH DEMOND - PHILIP CAW/MARTHA MOIR FR3758 (FR3758 ) 0 14/02/1833 692/1 90 122 Leith North

The only marriage for a Sarah CAW is in 1849 to a James Pesque.

 

[DaveHam9]

Robert Hutchison TRENCH, a cooper, aged 21 in 1855 when he married - parents Alexander, a cooper and Sarah CAW.

Then stuck.

 

[DaveHam9]

What to make of this?

Robert Trench
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Morrison
Event Date 28 Jun 1861 Leith, Midlothian

1871
Registration No: 692/2
Registration District: Leith South Burgh
Civil Parish: Leith South
Town: Leith
Roll: CSSCT1871_169
ED: 10
Address: 13 Silverfield
Robert Trench 37 Copper Gin Smith
Elizabeth Trench 37 Edinburgh
William Trench 1 Leith
William Baker 36

1881
Registration No: 692/2
Registration District: Leith South
Civil Parish: Leith South
Town: Leith
Roll: CSSCT1881_289
ED: 17
No of Schedule: 38
Address: No 87 Bowershall, Bonnington Rd
Robert Trench 47 Gasfitter Leith Edinburghsh
Elizabeth Trench 47 Edinburghsh
William Trench 11 Scholar Leith Edinburghsh
Fannie Trench 9 Scholar Edinburghsh
Jessie Morrison Sister-in-law 36 Mill Worker Edinburghsh

 

[DaveHam9]

Back to this one and I'm still confused.

2x Robert born Leith abt 1834 both coopers - one with parents Robert & Mary [not mine] and one with parents Alexander & Sarah Caw [mine].

Page 5
1855 MARRIAGES in the Parish of Borthwick in the County of Edinburgh Registered by Alexr. Macdougall Registrar
No. 9
On August Twenty fourth Clayhouse Parish of Borthwick Marriage (after Banns) was solemnized between us according to the Rites and ceremonies of the Established Church of Scotland
Robert H. Trench - Clayhouse Leith - 21 years - Cooper - Leith not certain if Registered - Alexander Trench Cooper (Deceased) Sarah Caw - Cooper - Cathcart Leslie Minr. of Borthwick
Mary West - Clayhouse Clayhouse - 17 years - Houseservant - Clayhouse 11th March 1837 [actually born 1838] Borthwick - George West Grace Horne - Cooper - John Trench Witness, Catran West Witness
Registered at Borthwick June ? 27th 1855 by Alexander MacDougall Registrar

 

[DaveHam9]

That marriage can be the starting point.

One birth with a middle name for the Robert in my tree.

Alexander b. 22 Apr 1857 Borthwick, Midlothian, Scotland
Robert Hutchison TRENCH & Mary WEST
Batch C116741