Robert KIRKLAND

[DaveHam9]

Robert Kirkland b. 2 Jun 1816 c. 23 Jun 1816 High Church Paisley, Renfrew
John KIRKLAND & Marion BIRKMYRE
Batch: C115734


Robert KIRKLAND & Mary ROBERTSON
4 Jul 1841 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew
Batch: M115737

I don't have anything on John and Marion after this census.

1841
Parish No: 573
Civil Parish: Paisley High
County: Renfrewshire
Folio 8 Page 14 ED: 8
Address: 11 Barclay St
John Kirkland 50 Muslin Manuf Renfrewshire
Marion Kirkland 50 Renfrewshire
Robert Kirkland 25 Foreman Cotton Factory Renfrewshire
Jane Kirkland 17 Renfrewshire
Ann Kirkland 15 Renfrewshire
Henery Kirkland 12 Renfrewshire
Marion Kirkland 10 Renfrewshire

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Mary nee Robertson must have died before 1851 census.

1851
Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Gorbals -Lanarkshire ED: 5
Civil Parish: Laurieston Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Gorbals
Folio: 615 Page: 5 Schedule: 15
Address: 153 Eglinton St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KIRKLAND Robert B Head W M 34 Ship Agent Renfrewshire - Paisley
KIRKLAND John Son U M 8 Scholar Lanarkshire - Glasgow
KIRKLAND Mary Dau U F 5 Scholar Lanarkshire - Glasgow
KIRKLAND Jeanie Sister U F 27 House Keeper Renfrewshire - Paisley

This is a bit odd with son Robert B aged 11.

1861
Registration No: 644/9
Registration District: Tradeston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Roll: CSSCT1861_110
ED: 29
Schedule No: 44
Address: 157 Eglington St
KIRKLAND R B Head 44 Cotton Manufacturers Clerk Paisley Renfrewshire
KIRKLAND John son 18 Iron Merchants Clerk Glasgow Lanarkshire
KIRKLAND Mary dau 14 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
KIRKLAND Robert B son 11 Scholar Glasgow Lanarkshire
KIRKLAND Jeanie sister 57 ? [37] House Keeper Paisley Renfrewshire

 

[DaveHam9]

John b. 25 Oct 1842 c. 27 Nov 1842 Gorbals, Lanark
Robert KIRKLAND & Mary ROBERTSON
Batch: C119358

Death 8057/1927 KIRKLAND JOHN 84 YEARS BURWOOD BURWOOD * 5 May 1927

The Sydney Morning Herald - Fri 6 May 1927 p.10
DEATHS
KIRKLAND.-May 5, 1927, at his residence, Kirkdell, Nicholson-street, Burwood, John, beloved husband of Clara Kirkland, in his 85th year.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16382768
The Sydney Morning Herald - Fri 6 May 1927 p.12
A LEADING SCOT.
DEATH. OF MR. JOHN KIRKLAND.
Mr. John Kirkland, who was well known in city commercial circles, died at his home at Burwood last night, in his 85th year. He was born in Scotland, and passed his early years in Glasgow, and to the last he retained a strong Scottish accent. Coming out to Melbourne as a young man ...


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16383024
The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 9 May 1927 p.20
OBITUARY.
MR. JOHN KIRKLAND.
The funeral of Mr. John Kirkland took place on Saturday afternoon, the remains being interred in the Presbyterian section of the Rookwood Cemetery. ...


How can a tree get it so wrong?

M i. John Kirkland was born in 1860 in Eden, NSW. ** Ha, ha, ha
John married Clara Perdriau on September 7, 1887 in "Portland" Burwood, NSW. Clara died in 1942 in Burwood, NSW.

 

[Bootzy]

SMH Thu 14 July 1927 – Probate for John Kirkland

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/...Term=clara kirkland &searchLimits=

mentions Clara. His brother Robert Birkmyre Kirkland and adopted daughter Nellie Gillies wife of Robert Gillies.

SMH – Mon 19 Jan 1942
KIRKLAND.—January 18, 1942, at Kirkdell, Nicholson Street, Burwood, Clara, widow of the late John Kirkland, aged 87 years.

KIRKLAND.—January 18, 1942, at Burwood, Clara, dearly loved mother of the late, Mrs. Ronald Gillies (Nella), Gwenyth, John, Ruth, Ian, and Keith.

KIRKLAND.—January 18, 1942, at Burwood, Clara, dearly loved sister of Mrs. G. Messiter of Bowral and a aunt of Dorothy Chloe and Desda.

KIRKLAND.—January 18, 1942, at Kirkdell, Burwood, Clara dearly loved aunt of Mrs. R. O'D. Finigan, Mrs. F. Walkden-Brown and Effie Dorothea Duesbury.

SMH – Tue 25 Oct 1938
GILLIES.—October 24, 1938, at 85a Park Road, Burwood, Nella, dearly loved wife of Ronald Gillies and mother of Gwenyth, John, Ruth, Ian, and Keith.

GILLIES.—October 24, 1938, at 85 Park Road, Burwood, Nella Gillies, dearly loved daughter of Mrs. John Kirkland, of Nicholson Street, Burwood.

SMH – Wed 4 Aug 1915
GILLIES-KIRKLAND. -July 10, 1915, at St James' Presbyterian Church, Burwood, by the Right Rev the Moderator R Scott West, Ronald eldest son of Mr and Mrs Robert Gillies of Burwood, to Nella daughter of Mr and Mrs John Kirkland of Burwood At home, Myola, Boyle street, Enfield, August 11 and 12

SMH – Mon 13 April 1936
KIRKLAND. — April 12, 1936, at a private hospital, Dulwich Hill, Robert Birkmyre Kirkland, of Canonbury Grove, Dulwich Hill, dearly beloved husband of Jennie and youngest son of the late Robert Kirkland and brother of the late John Kirkland, aged 86 years. At rest.

Death of John and Robert’s father
Evening News Sat 3 Sept 1887
KIRKLAND. — August 31, at his residence, Petersham, Robert Kirkland, aged 71 years, son of John Kirkland, machinery merchant.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

This is getting complicated.

Robert GILLIES & Ellen Sarah YOUNG

Marriages Mar 1886 W. Derby 8b 720
GILLIES Robert & ... ?
BERRY Thomas & FLYNN Martha Ann

Lancs BMD have marriage of Robert/Ellen as: WD/106/170
Robert Gillies to Ellen S Young 1886 West Derby Register Office or Registrar attended Reg.

Births Dec 1887 GILLIES Ronald Wirral 8a 435 or 436 ms YOUNG
Births Dec 1888 GILLIES Robert Wirral 8a 431 ms YOUNG
Births Sep 1892 GILLIES Kenneth James Wirral 8a 483 ms YOUNG

Kenneth James Gillies married Clara Perdriau but marriage not yet found. ??

Birth 4096/1882 PERDRIAU CLARA - GEORGE A - MARY J - BALMAIN * just 1882 ?

Marriage 10348/1915 GILLIES RONALD - KIRKLAND NELLA - BURWOOD

Dave

 

[horse]

Kenneth James Gillies married Clara Perdriau but marriage not yet found. ??

Clara not mentioned on his Attestation 1915 [his mother is NoK], they are together in 1922, so 1915-1922 if they married.

Vic. E/R 1922
Kenneth James Gillies
Subdistrict: Latrobe
District: Melbourne
Address: 247 Bourke St
Occ: Clerk
[With Clara, hd]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Something to ponder..

There is a marriage
9115/1901 PARK GEORGE A/PERDRIAU CLARA DRUMMOYNE

Not an obvious death for a George A until 1946

Geoff

EDIT: There are a number of offspring in the Index..

 

[Bootzy]

Name: Kenneth James Gillies
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1892
Birth Place: Lancashire England
Year Range: 1939 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Sassafras Victoria
Service Number: V379949
Next of Kin: Clara Gillies
Series Description: B884: Army Citizen Military Forces

Name: Kenneth Jas Gillies
Birth Year: abt 1892
Age: 60
Death Place: Ferntree Gully, Victoria
Father's name: Robert
Mother's name: Ellen Young
Registration Year: 1952
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 16745

The Argus – Fri 7 March 1952
GILLIES.—On March 5, at his residence, Hathaway, Olinda, Kenneth James, dearly beloved husband of Clara (Privately cremated.)

Marriage
Name: Kenneth Jas Gillies
Gender: Male
Marriage Registration Year: 1946
Marriage Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Spouse: Clara Park
Reference Number: 20303

ref to Geoff's post

SMH – Sat 19 Oct 1901
PARK— PERDRIAU.— October 2, at the Grimm Memorial Church, Drummoyne, by Rev. James Cosh. B.A., B.D., George Alexander Park to Clara Perdriau.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

1921 VIC Electoral Roll - Wimmera - Ouyen
GILLIES Kenneth James, Mulcra, Farmer


Thanks Val.

2x Clara Perdriau. Only one birth reg.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thu 21 Dec 1854 p.5
Birth.
At Balmain, on the 18th instant, Mrs. Perdriau, of daughter.

The one who married John Kirkland.

The other one born 1882 married twice - Park (divorced) & Gillies.

DIVORCE INDEX
0487 1919 PARK George Alexander PARK Clara - GILLIES Kenneth James


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Parents on death reg are the adopted parents

Death 26932/1938 GILLIES NELLA - JOHN - CLARA - BURWOOD


I'm confused because Nella/Nellie was the daughter of Robert B Kirkland and adopted by brother John. But Robert died in 1936

Death 10521/1936 KIRKLAND ROBERT BIRKMYRE - ROBERT - MARY - MARRICKVILLE * 12 Apr 1936

Birth 19559/1895 KIRKLAND NELLIE - ROBERT - MARY R - SYDNEY

But this marriage does not fit with mother as a Mary R. ??

Marriage 2165/1890 KIRKLAND ROBERT B - CLARK JANE B - BALMAIN


There is also an error in one of the obits for John in that Nellie is listed as married to a Robert Gillies when it's actually Ronald, older brother of Kenneth James.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

This one then
Marriage 5439/1886 KIRKLAND ROBERT - RICHARDSON MARY R - TAREE

Then Robert B marries using just Robert and there is another Robert B.

Must be this one
Death KIRKLAND MARY REBECCA 12013/1938 ALFRED ANN - BURWOOD

The Sydney Morning Herald - Sat 18 Jun 1938 p.10
DEATHS
KIRKLAND.—June 17, 1938 (suddenly), at 27
David Street, Croydon, Mary Rebecca Kirkland, be-
loved mother of Pearl, Claude, Gladys, and Nellie,
aged 71 years.

Wonder why Nellie was adopted by brother John.

 

[DaveHam9]

Piece: SCT1851/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 13
Civil Parish: Paisley Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Paisley High
Folio: 462 Page: 22 Schedule: 98
Address: 23 George Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KIRKLAND John Head M M 60 Agent For Muslins Renfrewshire - Kilbarchan
KIRKLAND Marrion Wife M F 60 Renfrewshire - Kilbarchan
KIRKLAND Ann Dau U F 25 Warehouse Sewer Renfrewshire - Paisley
KIRKLAND Marrion Dau U F 20 Enum'd As Scholar Renfrewshire - Paisley
KIRKLAND Alexr Grnson U M 12 Scholar Renfrewshire - Paisley
KIRKLAND Robt Grnson - M 1 Lanarkshire - Glasgow


Piece: SCT1861/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 10
Civil Parish: Paisley Low Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Paisley Low
Folio: 0 Page: 15 Schedule: 97
Address: 13 Stevenson St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KIRKLAND John Head M M 70 Weavers Agent Renfrewshire - Kilbarchan 4 rooms
KIRKLAND Marion Wife M F 70 Renfrewshire - Kilbarchan
KIRKLAND Ann Dau U F 35 Renfrewshire - Paisley

 

[DaveHam9]

Age not a good fit

KIRKLAND
JOHN
72
-------
1869
573/1 223
Paisley High Church


Can't see a good fit for Marion. About 10 years out.

KIRKLAND
MARION
78
1878
568/ 113
Kilbarchan

 

[horse]

Age not a good fit

Can't see a good fit for Marion. About 10 years out.

She's not in the 1871 census..

1871
RD = Largs
Add = Carswells Land
Ref: ED: 5; Page: 38; Line: 19; Roll: CSSCT1871_113
John Kirkland 80 [b. Kilbarchan]
Jean Kirkland 47 [b. Paisley]
Ann Kirkland 45 [do]

Possible death for Marion, maiden name fits with marriage.
SP:
KIRKLAND MARION
Aged 75
Maiden name = BIRKMYRE
1866
644/9 877
Tradeston

1881
RD = Largs
Add = 70 Nelson Street
Ref: ED: 3; Page: 2; Line: 21; Roll: cssct1881_192
John Kirkland 90 [b. Kilbarchan. Retired manufacturer]
Ann Kirkland 55 [b. Paisley]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I missed that death on SP not thinking well enough and assuming Renfrew.

Death
KIRKLAND
JOHN
98
1888
602/ 71
Largs (Ayr)

Dave