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Robert & Rebecca PATE

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Hello,

Something is not quite right. :biggrin:

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Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St. Philip Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1848
No 567
Robert Pate of this Parish Bachelor
Rebecca Freeman of this Parish Spinster
married in this Church by Banns with the consent of the mother of Rebecca Freeman
Third day of January 1848 By me William Cowper
Robert (his x mark) and Rebecca signed
Witnesses: James Pate of Sydney, Ann Freeman of Tumut River


James is not Robert's father so it should be easy to find if he is a brother.

Not so eassy to find the relationship between Rebecca and Ann.

Some trees (yes, should I believe any) say this is Rebecca's baptism:

V183040 150/1830 HARTSHORN REBECCA - JOHN - ANNE

and first marriage:

V1845407 30B/1845 FREEMAN WILLIAM - HARTSHORN REBECCA MC= CofE Bungonia, Goulburn, St Saviour's (Co. Argyle), Goulburn Plains, Lake Bathurst, Marulan

Looking for deaths for William, Robert and Rebecca, James and Ann.

Thanks.

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Ok, James is Robert's brother:

V18299317 1C/1829 PATE JAMES R REUBEN MARY
V1829559 13/1829 PATE JAMES R REUBEN MARY
V1829568 13/1829 PATE JAMES R REUBEN MARY
V1829574 13/1829 PATE JAMES R REUBEN MARY
 

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James R Pate
Birth Date: 1829
Father: Reuben Pate
Mother: Mary
Birth Place: New South Wales
Reg Year: 1829
Reg Place: Moreton Bay, New South Wales
Volume Number: V1829568 13

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Thanks Geoff.

Don't know why it is in Vol. 13 three times. I'll check that at the library later this week.

Death 3288/1859 PATE JAMES R - REUBEN - MARY - GRAFTON

Married Maria Isabella.
 

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Yeah, odd it's in 3x...

James R Pate
Death Date: 1859
Place: New South Wales
Father: Reuben
Mother: Mary
Reg Year: 1859
Place: Grafton, New South Wales
Reg no: 3288
 

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V1827123 11/1827 PATE ROBERT - REUBEN - MARY

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Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Philip's Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1827
No 185 When Baptised: ? [margin] April 1827 When Born: 14 Jany. 1827 Robert - Reuben & Mary Pate Abode: Sydney Quality or Profession: Tailor By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Cowper

I can't see a death in NSW. Better check Qld.

Death 1870/C0891 Pate Robert - Reuben Pate - Mary
 

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Death 10624/1911 PATE REBECCA - JOHN - ANN - KOGARAH ?

That fits with parents of Rebecca HARTSHORN.

PATE Rebecca Death notice 23SEP1911 Death 81 late of West Kogarah and Brisbane Sydney Morning Herald 25SEP1911

Age at death fits bap for Rebecca HARTSHORN.

So it seems Rebecca was not a spinster - consent of her mother. :D
 

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The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Tuesday 11 November 1862

On the 10th instant, at her residence, Kent-street, Mrs. Mary Pate, relict of the late Reuben Pate, tailor, in the 57th year of her age. Queensland papers please copy.
 

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Thanks gibbo. :)

I can't see a death yet for Ann HARTSHORN, Rebecca's mother alive as of 1848.

I can't see a death for Wiliam FREEMAN 1845-1848.

There are some HARTSHORN deaths in Tumut.

I wonder if Ann was Rebecca's sister who also married a FREEMAN.

No baptism for an Ann(e) HARTSHORN.
 
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Thanks gibbo. :)

I can't see a death yet for Ann HARTSHORN, Rebecca's mother alive as of 1848.

I can't see a death for Wiliam FREEMAN 1845-1848.

There are some HARTSHORN deaths in Tumut.

I wonder if Ann was Rebecca's sister who also married a FREEMAN.

No baptism for an Ann(e) HARTSHORN.
I think Ann may have been adopted, there was some issue with her parents, did she marry a Daniel Reid first?
 

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I've found this strange and complicated tree, she may have also been know as Ann Kiss... :confused:

The name Ruse also comes into it...
 

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I took an image of the marriage the other day and I'm working off it. Some things have been easy to find and others not so.

No idea what happened to William and no idea yet how witness Ann fits in.

As for Rebecca's mother ... ??? This baptism is not on film:

Bap V183040 150/1830 HARTSHORN REBECCA - JOHN - ANNE
 

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It appears Ann may not have married after that, but was a partner to:

John Hartshorn 1827 Parramatta

and..

Thomas Payne 1835, TUMUT

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Thanks Geoff.

I can find 5 different William FREEMANs in trees but not one is the right one.
 

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I took an image of the marriage the other day and I'm working off it. Some things have been easy to find and others not so.

No idea what happened to William and no idea yet how witness Ann fits in.

As for Rebecca's mother ... ??? This baptism is not on film:

Bap V183040 150/1830 HARTSHORN REBECCA - JOHN - ANNE
Rebecca Hartchorn
Birth Date: 1830
Father: John Hartchorn
Mother: Anne
Birth Place: New South Wales
Reg Year: 1830
Reg Place: Parramatta, New South Wales
Volume Number: V183040 150

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Thanks Geoff.

If that is St. John's CofE Parramatta then it's on a different set of films at the State Library.

I notice some trees have death for Rebecca's mother in 1836.

Both marriages were CofE.
 
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