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Robert & Rebecca PATE

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Not necessarily, it's just your line we need to find first... If you say what your main line is we can concentrate on that initially.
 

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Third cousin twice removed :biggrin: might be close to ADLEM and FARMER and SANDS.

William is getting a bit too far off my main line.

It's an offshoot from one of my convict branches - ADLEM married to FARMER and FARMER married to SANDS.
 

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Ok, Dave... As I recall that line doesn't look too bad, though I have go now (sleep)... will look later or tomorrow, if you haven't got further...

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Ok, thanks Geoff.

William FREEMAN b. abt 1817 d. 1845

1804 Hertfordshire - 1882
1812 -1881 Richmond, NSW
1839 - 1913 Windsor, NSW
1813 Somerset - 1899
1836 - 1891
 
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Very early days in old Brisbane Town - the 4th baptism:

V1829574 13/1829 PATE JAMES R - REUBEN - MARY

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Baptisms solemnized in the District of Moreton Bay in the Year 1829
No 4 When Baptised: Augt. 9th 1829 When Born: June 27th 1829 James Reuben - Reuben & Mary Pate Abode: Brisbane Town Moreton Bay Quality or Profession: Reuben a Prisoner of the Crown Mary Free By whom the Ceremony was performed: John Vincent

#568 is the same with the left margin chopped off by a loose piece of paper in the volume - refilmed but somehow the whole page was not seen to be a copy so each entry received a new reg #.

#559 to be posted soon is very different. The only one I've ever seen like it.
 

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James R Pate
Spouse: Maria Buddivent
Marriage Date: 1853
Place: New South Wales
Reg Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Year: 1853
Volume Number: V C

James R Pate
Death Date: 1859
Place: New South Wales
Father: Reuben
Mother: Mary
Reg Year: 1859
Place: Grafton, New South Wales
Reg No: 3288
 

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Not sure yet Geoff. Just catching up with look ups at library:

V1829559 13/1829 PATE JAMES R - REUBEN - MARY

This is writtten on a small loose piece of paper inserted into the volume:

Born 27 June 1829
at Brisbane Town Moreton Bay
James Reuben Pate
Mother Maiden Name Mary Taylor - Free
Father - Reuben Pate - Crsrd. ?
Thos. Cribb - Free - Godfather
Sarah Holmes - DS - Godmother
Christened 9th Augt. 1829


Crsrd ? could be /should be the vessel - Coromandel.

Don't know what DS is. FS = Free by Servitude


8 Jan 1828 A Petition by Mary Pate to join her husband Reuben Pate at Moreton Bay. Mary was living at 101 Pitt Street, Sydney.
 
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Yes indeed. :biggrin:

Mary Taylor is correct but know very little about her.

CofE St Philip's Sydney Page 126
No 378
Reuben Pate Tailor a Bachelor
Mary Taylor a Spinster both of this place
married in this Church by Banns
First November 1824 By me William Cowper
This marriage was solemnized between us Reuben Pate 25 Mary Taylor 20 (her x mark)
Witnesses: Charles Knight, Maria (her x mark) Bruce

Death 1140/1862 PATE MARY - JAMES - UNKNOWN - SYDNEY

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tuesday 11 November 1862 p.1
Deaths.
On the 10th instant, at her residence, Kent-street, Mrs. Mary Pate, relict of the late Reuben Pate, tailor, in the 57th year of her age. Queensland papers please copy.


I have the William FREEMAN & Rebecca HARTSHORN marriage now to read and post.
 

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Nothing new except it's way out of Sydney:

V1845407 30B/1845 FREEMAN WILLIAM - HARTSHORN REBECCA MC= CofE Bungonia, Goulburn, St Saviour's (Co. Argyle), Goulburn Plains, Lake Bathurst, Marulan


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Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St. Savoiur in the County of Argyle in the Year 1845
No. 150
William Freeman of Bigga Bachelor
Rebecca Hartshorn of Bigga Spinster
married in this Church by Banns with consent of -
Sixteenth day of September 1845 By me William Sowerby
Wm. Freeman, Rebecca (her x mark)
Witnesses: Wm. Nixon of Goulburn, Mary Smart of Goulburn
 

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So, Mary born abt 1806 about 4 years before parents married and no baptism in index - both parents convicts.

Mary's mother died in 1826 - tree has no death for father James although they have his birth as 1768:

Burial V1826458 10/1826 TAYLOR CONSTANCE AGE 59

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Burials in the Parish of St. Philip's Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the year 1826
No 93 Constance Taylor Abode: Sydney When Buried: 19 Novemr. 1826 Age: 59 years Ship's Name: - Quality or Profession: - By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Cowper
 

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Can't find a birth for Reuben, it appears to vary from 1798 - 1803 Warwickshire, even less for Mary...

This is his transportation trial outcome:
Reuben Pate
Date of Trial: Lent 1819
Trial Year: 1819
Location: Warwickshire, England
Sentence: Transportation
[7 years, larceny]

He had also been indicted for embezzlement a year earlier.

This helps with his age a little
Reuben Pate
Birth Year: 1799
Age: 47
Arrival: 1820
Vessel Arrived In: Coromandel
Date of Admission/Photo: 1846
Gaol: Darlinghurst
Gaol Location: Darlinghurst, New South Wales
Record Type: Description Book
 

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Burial V1833556 17/1833 TAYLOR JAMES AGE 61

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Burials in the Parish of St. James in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1833
No 1047 James Taylor Abode: Asylum When Buried: Decr. 6th Age: 61 Yrs Ship's Name: Gambier Quality or Profession: Pauper By whom the ceremony was performed: Richard Hill


Burial V1836242 20/1836 TAYLOR JAMES AGE 71

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Burials in the Parish of St. Philip's Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1836
No 457 James Taylor Abode: Sydney When Buried: 26 Novr. 1836 Age: 71 Yrs Ship's Name: - Quality or Profession: Shoe Maker By whom the ceremony was performed: William Cowper


Burial V18382526 22/1838 TAYLOR JAMES AGE 75

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Burials in the Parish of St. James Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1838
No 1112 James Taylor Abode: Asylum When Buried: December Twenty four Age: 75 Yrs Ship's Name: 'Guildford' Free Quality or Profession: - By whom the ceremony was performed: George N. Woodd


We know James arrived on either of these vessels:

Title: James Taylor, one of 278 convicts transported on the Admiral Gambier and Eolus [Aeolus], July 1808.
Details: Sentence details: Convicted at Kent Assizes for a term of life on 27 July 1807.
Vessel: Admiral Gambier and Eolus [Aeolus].
Date of Departure: July 1808.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales.

I have nothing to indicate his age at time of conviction.
 

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A tree has James Taylor and Constance Pewters as Mary's parents..
Yes thanks Geoff. They married in 1810.

Reuben 25 in 1824 when he married. Parents said to be Robert Pate & Susanna Oxenbold.


Susanna Oxenbold
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 13 December 1790 Saint Martin,Birmingham,Warwick,England
spouse: Robert Pate
 
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The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 27 July 1907 p.24
FUNERALS
PATE.-The Friends of the late Mr. JOSEPH PATE are respectfully invited to attend his Funeral, to leave his late residence, 266 Bulwarra-road, Ultimo, THIS AFTERNOON, at 1.30, for the Necropolis.
COFFILL and COMPANY, Central Office: 735 George-street, Haymarket.


One for you Geoff. Please see if you can find a burial record for CofE Rookwood and it might have date of death.

Thanks.
 

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