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Robert TRENCH

DaveHam9

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Hello,

Robert Hutchison TRENCH married in Borthwick 24 Aug 1855 and has not been found in any census.

Working backwards from these two found in 1851:

Piece: SCT1851/693 Place: Liberton -Midlothian Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Liberton Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 753 Page: 15 Schedule: 109
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
TRENCH Elizabeth Head W F 56 Former Lab Sand Quarry Midlothian - Liberton
TRENCH Robert Son U M 22 Lab Stone Quarry Midlothian - Liberton
Page: 753/16
TRENCH Alexander Son U M 16 Coal Carter Midlothian - Liberton

Piece: SCT1851/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 694 Page: 1 Schedule: 1
Address: Silverfield
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
TRENCH Robert Head M M 65 Spirit Merchant Midlothian - Newbattle
TRENCH Jean Wife M F 64 Midlothian - Dalkeith
TRENCH Robt Grnson U M 17 Cooper Midlothian - North Leith
TRENCH John Grnson U M 15 Tailor Midlothian - St Cuthberts
TRENCH Sarah Grndau U F 13 Scholar Midlothian - South Leith
BELL Jane Visitr U F 26 Lanarkshire - Glasgow


I'd like a look up please for 2x Robert in 1841.

Dave
 
Hi Dave

1841 Scotland Census
Name: Robert French
[Robert Trench]
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil parish: Libberton
County: Midlothian
Address: Gilmerton
Parish Number: 693
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth French 40
Robert French 12
Alexr French 6
James Wright 20
***

1841 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Trench
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil parish: St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Silverfield
Parish Number: 692/1
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert TrenchSr 55
Jean Trench 55
Robert Trench 7
John Trench 5
Sarah Trench 3
Helen Mcintyre 15

Geoff
 
FS has a Robert H Trench = Mary West, 1855 Borthwick...

This has the same address (Silverfield) as Robert b. 1834.
1861 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Trench
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Trench
Father's Name: Robt Trench
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalkeith, Midlothian
Registration number: 692/2
Registration district: Leith South
Civil parish: Leith St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Silverfield City Bonnington Rd
Occupation: Cooper
ED: 58
Household schedule number: 2
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1861_132
Name Age
Robert Trench 52
Mary Trench 49
Robt Trench 27 [b. Leith, Occ: Copper & Tinsmith]
Wm Trench 22
Alex Trench 14
Ander Trench 12
Robt Trench 76 [b. Newbattle, Occ: rtd drayman]

Geoff
 
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Thanks Geoff.

That rules one out. Therefore need another Robert & Mary marriage to be sure.

Mary WEST b. 11 Mar 1838 Borthwick.

Son Alexander b. 22 Apr 1857 with Mary's parents in 1861 and 1871.

1861
Registration District: Borthwick
Civil Parish: Borthwick
County: Midlothian
Address: Arniston Inn
George WEST Head 45 Cooper Temple Midlothian
Grace WEST Wife 45 Temple Fife ? [Midlothian]
Amey WEST dau ? Scholar Temple Midlothian
Joseph WEST son 9 Scholar Borthwick Midlothian
Alexander TREANCH grandson 3 Scholar Cockpen Midlothian

Dave
 
Robert Trench
Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 21 Jun 1833 South Leith, Midlothian
spouse: Mary Russel


Now the next question re widow Elizabeth. Is her maiden name Hutchison?

Robert Trench
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 30 Jan 1829
christening: 5 Apr 1829 , LIBERTON, MIDLOTHIAN
residence: 1829 Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland
parents: Alexander Trench, Elisabeth Armour


I might get a copy of the 1855 marriage to Mary WEST.
 
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Mary WEST is the one in my tree. :)

Running out of births for Robert.

Robert Trench
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 21 Jun 1840 , LIBERTON, MIDLOTHIAN
parents: Robert Trench, Elspeth Cook


The 5 April 1829 one also appears in SP under Edinburgh City.
 
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Don't know Geoff.

I can't find a death for Mary using TRENCH/TREANCH/FRENCH 1857-2005 in Scotland with other surname = WEST

No death for a Robert TRENCH in Scotland 1856-1861.

Death 2x Robert in Midlothian 1856-1930 born 1829 +/-5

1x Robert in Midlothian 1886 Age 52
1x Robert in Midlothian 1898 Age 53
 
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1841 Scotland Census about Elizabeth French
Name: Elizabeth French
[Elizabeth Trench]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil parish: Libberton
County: Midlothian
Address: Gilmerton
Occupation: Sand Neocker
Parish Number: 693
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth French 40
Robert French 12
Alexr French 6
James Wright 20
 
Thanks Geoff.

That seems the most likely Robert.

Marriage 1890 St Andrew Midlothian for a Mary TRENCH but not in FS.

Death Mary GILL (WEST) Inveresk, Midlothian 1914 Age 76

Don't know why they farmed off Alexander to grandparents for 25 years. Seems neither Robert nor Mary died before 1881.
 
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It's Mary GILL.

Now there is no GILL - TRENCH/WEST marriage.

Ok, I'm lost. The trees have no marriage and no death for Mary.

So there must be another Mary WEST born abt 1838.

One in Angus and one in Banff.

It seems there is no sign of Mary after the birth of Alexander in 1857.

I'm sure it's my Mary who married in Borthwick in 1855. Here she is with family in 1851:

1851
Piece: SCT1851/674 Place: Borthwick -Midlothian Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Borthwick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Clayhouses
Folio: 760 Page: 11 Schedule: 41
Address: 12 Clayhouses
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WEST Geo Head M M 36 Cooper Midlothian - Temple
WEST Grace Wife M F 36 Fife - Inverkeithing
WEST Catharine Dau - F 13 Scholar Midlothian - Borthwick
WEST Mary Dau - F 13 Scholar Midlothian - Borthwick
WEST Eliza Dau - F 11 Scholar Midlothian - Temple
WEST Grace Dau - F 9 Scholar Midlothian - Temple
WEST William Son - M 7 At Home Midlothian - Temple
WEST Anne Dau - F 3 Midlothian - Temple


The trees correctly show a death for sister Catharine in NSW.
 
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Though everything points to her, but nothing after the marriage.

I even tried looking at 'West' trees some don't even have her on them, those that do call her Mary Ann... Catharine is there and in NSW.

Trying French again is a bit more productive..

SP:
1855 FRENCH ROBERT H WEST MARY BORTHWICK /MIDLOTHIAN 674/00 0009

Geoff
 
Deaths, SP:
1856 FRENCH ROBERT (HUTCHISON -[mother]) M 85 PEEBLES /PEEBLES 768/00 0026

1861 FRENCH ROBERT HUTCHINS [no mother name] M 27 ST GEORGE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 0184

Marriages, SP:
1867 COWE ALEXANDER TRENCH MARY OLDHAMSTOCKS /EAST LOTHIAN 714/00 0002
1872 KETCHEN DAVID TRENCH MARY GOVAN AND GOVAN CHURCH GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/01 0115
1872 MANDERSON JOHN TRENCH MARY ABBEY BURGH /RENFREW 559/01 0010
1865 MERCER ALEXANDER TRENCH MARY TRAQUAIR OR TRAQUHAIR /PEEBLES 771/00 0004
1890 SUTHERLAND GEORGE TRENCH MARY ST ANDREW (EDINBURGH) EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0371

Not had chance to match them up yet...
Geoff
 
Thanks Geoff.

Interesting that IGI has the right name and SP doesn't:

Robert H. TRENCH & Mary WEST
24 Aug 1855 Borthwick, Midlothian, Scotland
Batch: M116741


If we can rule this one out then it seems there is no death for my Mary in Scotland.

Death Mary GILL (WEST) Inveresk, Midlothian 1914 Age 76

Dave
 
This one is interesting because of the age:

1861 FRENCH ROBERT HUTCHINS [no mother name] M 27 ST GEORGE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 0184

I'm not sure how many characters there are in the name field but I know middle names get truncated if they won't fit.


Name: Alexander Trench Family Tree
Gender: Male
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 22 Apr 1857
Birthplace: BORTHWICK,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Robert Hutchison Trench
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary West
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11674-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516
Reference ID:
 
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