ROBERTS family

[DaveHam9]

Thomas Roberts & Mary Griffiths
Marriage 26 Aug 1830 Manchester, Lancashire

1851
HO107 Piece 1768 Folio 193 Page 20
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Stratford
County: Essex
Registration District: West Ham
Sub-RD: Stratford
ED: 7g
Address:
Thomas Roberts Head 46 Portrait painter Derbyshire ?
Mary Roberts Wife 41 Mawsbeth ?
Saml Roberts 19 Mawsbeth ?
Mary A Roberts 17
Sarah Roberts 15
John H Roberts son 12 Mawsbeth ?
Elizabeth L Roberts 5
Emma B Roberts 2
Walter A H Roberts 3 Wks
Fredrick Lauter Lodger 33
Isabella Lauter 29
Jane A W Lauter 4
James Lauter 8 Mo


I'd like a look up please for the family in 1841.

John arrived 1851 - 1856 ??? EDIT: 1851 - 1863

Samuel Hartley Roberts
Electoral Year: 1856
State: Victoria
District: Melbourne
Subdistrict: Eastern Hill


Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I've just woken up to the fact I'm searching for John's arrival and then listed brother Samuel.

John married in 1863. Don't know if he is in England in 1861 or not.

 

[Bootzy]

Hi Dave,
SMH Sat 21 Jan 1922 - Veteran Island Teacher - Death of Mr John Hartley Roberts - (died 19 Jan 1922 NSW - correct parents)

In article says he arrived day after wreck of the Dunbar (which was 20 Aug 1857).
The closest arrival from Liverpool to Melb for a John Roberts = 5 Sept 1857 on "White Star" aged 20. nothing shows arriving NSW around that time.
regards
Val

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

That means Samuel arrived before John.

Dave

 

[horse]

Oh! A sibling?

Mary Ellen Roberts
SPOUSE: Charles Croaker
REGISTRATION PLACE: Victoria
REGISTRATION YEAR: 1857
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 426

The Argus (Melbourne) Saturday 28 March 1857
"On Friday, the 27th inst., at Christ's Church, South
Yarra, by the Rev. W. N. Guinness, Charles Croaker,
Esq., to Mary Ellen, daughter of Thomas Roberts,
Esq., of South Yarra."

Geoff

 

[horse]

Thanks Val.

That means Samuel arrived before John.

Dave

It is looking more likely that John arrived after some other family members, if the Mary Ellen record is correct, she would have married before John's arrival.

Geoff

 

[horse]

This could be the arrival of Thomas and Mary with the 3 youngest offspring, Thomas' initial a bit dodgy, but other info looks right..

Mary Roberts
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1811
AGE: 41
ARRIVAL DATE: 11 Nov 1852
ARRIVAL PORT: Melbourne, Australia
DEPARTURE PORT: Liverpool
SHIP: Hope
NATIONALITY: English

Image:

 

[horse]

This is very close to Eastern Hill (Samuel's res)

Thomas Roberts
ELECTORAL YEAR: 1856
STATE: Victoria
DISTRICT: St Kilda
SUBDISTRICT: South Yarra
[Image says he is a scripture reader, Homerton House, Gardiner's Creek Road. Salary above £100 from Bishop of Melbourne]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Oh! Samuel may have arrived with the family..

Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page
ROBERTS SAMUEL 20 NOV 1852 HOPE 7 49

Geoff

 

[horse]

Not sure what to make of this, Hartley is travelling with Samuel. Found an image now.. He is a carpenter aged 14y, Samuel is a glazier aged 20y, they are from Middlesex, family were in Essex in 1851

ROBERTS HARTLEY 14 NOV 1852 HOPE 7 49

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

So Hartley = John and the family arrived together.

Unassisted to Victoria
ROBERTS ELIZTH 5 NOV 1852 HOPE B 016 004
ROBERTS ELLEN 18 NOV 1852 HOPE B 016 008
ROBERTS EMMA 4 NOV 1852 HOPE B 016 004
ROBERTS HARTLEY 14 NOV 1852 HOPE B 016 009
ROBERTS M J 47 NOV 1852 HOPE B 016 004
ROBERTS MARY 41 NOV 1852 HOPE B 016 004
ROBERTS SAM 20 NOV 1852 HOPE B 016 009
ROBERTS SARAH 16 NOV 1852 HOPE B 016 008
ROBERTS WALTER 1 NOV 1852 HOPE B 016 004


The older ones listed under single males and single females.

 

[DaveHam9]

Daughter:
Roberts, Mary Ellen (1866–1924) Bio - HERE

 

[horse]

So Hartley = John and the family arrived together.

The older ones listed under single males and single females.

I would say so, Dave... a few anomalies, but generally appears to fit for 1852..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Mary A in census = Ellen = Mary Ellen

It still leaves 1841 census.

 

[DaveHam9]

So the bit about arriving the day after the wreck of the 'Dunbar' means John must have travelled on a coastal steamer from Melbourne to Sydney to have arrived in Sydney on 21 Aug 1857.

I can't find anything for 21st.

The 23rd there is a Roberts, no initial or age, but passenger list has all passengers as 'miners'

LONDON
STEAMSHIP OF SYDNEY W COTTIER MASTER, BURTHEN 400 TONS
FROM THE PORT OF MELBOURNE TO SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, 23RD AUGUST 1857
Surname Given name Station Age Of what Nation Status Comments
Cottier Wm Captain Crew
37 Various Various Crew
Hall Mr Passenger Gentlefolk
Hall Mrs Passenger Gentlefolk
Hall Son Passenger Gentlefolk
Bing J Mr Passenger Gentlefolk
Houghton Passenger Gentlefolk
Trewin Passenger Gentlefolk
Lawon Passenger Gentlefolk
35 Chinamen Passenger Miner
Amy Carthorse Passenger Miner
Lawrence C Passenger Miner
...
Roberts Passenger Miner

 

[horse]

It still leaves 1841 census.

Still had no luck with that... There are a few trees, but they don't have anything for 1841 or anything much on Thomas and Mary after 1851

Geoff

 

[horse]

So the bit about arriving the day after the wreck of the 'Dunbar' means John must have travelled on a coastal steamer from Melbourne to Sydney to have arrived in Sydney on 21 Aug 1857.

I thought he married in Vic. I'll recheck

 

[horse]

Unless he went to NSW and returned, this looks like his marriage..

John Hartley Roberts
SPOUSE: Mary Ann Ellis
MARRIAGE PLACE: Victoria
REGISTRATION PLACE: Victoria
REGISTRATION YEAR: 1863
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1362

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, that's the marriage. I think I'm ok for everything after that.

Don't yet know why he visited Sydney.

 

[Bootzy]

Hi All,
re previous post - Don't yet know why he visited Sydney.

Nepean Times (Penrith NSW) Sat 28 Jan 1922 says in long article..

Mr Roberts came to Sydney in 1857 and passed through Penrith that year on the way to Mudgee and the Gold fields there.. teacher of miners children..

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/104674780?searchTerm=john hartley roberts&searchLimits=

regards
Val