Rose Shipman

[gibbo]

1911 census .. Would it state how many kids living or deceased that Rose had. {she is single but had kids, not sure where they are as yet]

Name Rose Shipman
Event Place Stretford, Trafford, Greater Manchester, England, United Kingdom
County Lancashire
Parish Stretford
Sub-District Stretford
Sub-District Number 3
District Number 463
Enumeration District 33
Registration District Barton Upon Irwell
Age 38
Marital Status SINGLE
Occupation HOUSEKEEPER
Number in Family 4
Birth Year (Estimated) 1873
Birthplace Doncaster, Yorkshire
Schedule Type 183
Page Number 1
Registration Number RG14
Piece/Folio 365
Affiliate Record Identifier GBC/1911/RG14/23655/0365/4
Charles Mossop Head M 39 Lancs, Lancashire
Rupert Mossop Son M 10 Manchester, Lancashire
Sybil Mossop Daughter F 7 Manchester, Lancashire
Rose Shipman F 38 Doncaster, Yorkshire

 

[emeltee]

No it doesn't say anything other than the fact that she is single.

 

[horse]

Have you got everything you want from this one, Gibbo?

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

Not sure Geoff, I don't know where her kids are in 1911

They are with her in 1901, even tho she never married John Hall, the kids births were registered under his name with Shipman as MMN. But no kids with in her in 1911. [ I noticed she had kids with John Hall but still noted as boarder on the census]

1901 census
Name: Rose Shipman
Event Place: Pleasley, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
County: Nottinghamshire
Civil Parish: Pleasley (Derby)
Ecclesiastical Parish: Shirebrook
Sub-District: Pleasley
Registration District: Mansfield
Age: 33
Occupation: CHARWOMAN
Relationship to Head of Household: Boarder
Birth Year (Estimated): 1868
Birthplace: Doncaster, Yorkshire
Schedule Type: 199
Page Number: 37
John W Halls Head Male 61 Matlock, Derbyshire
Annie Halls Daughter Female 17 Sheffield, Yorkshire
Fred Halls Son Male 6 Sutton In Ashfield, Nottinghamshire
Horace Halls Son Male 3 Bewinnings, Nottinghamshire
Rose Shipman Boarder Female 33 Doncaster, Yorkshire
Lizzie Shipman Boarder Female 14 Exthorpe, Yorkshire

 

[horse]

Yeah, quite complex, Gibbo that's why I asked first. Took me while to understand the family, given there is at least one other family with similar names.

I tried to follow Lizzie/Elizabeth, because she is call Lizzie in 1901, not too helpful

That said, she is in Pleasley in 1901, I wondered if there may be a marriage in the area for Elizabeth, this is a long shot.. Pleasley is in RD Chesterfield.. Though I haven't had much luck with it, the middle name may not be good..

Marriages Q1 1910
BIRCH Benjamin Charles
BIRCH Robert Charles
GEE Eleanor Lindow
Harrison John William
SHIPMAN Elizabeth Ann
Chesterfield 7b, 1191

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

HALL, FRED mmn SHIPMAN [on the 1901 census]
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 86

HALL, HOWE mmn SHIPMAN
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 71

HALL, DICK mmn SHIPMAN
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 74

HALL, CHARLES mmn SHIPMAN [charles is the one who died through neglect]
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 73


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Is appears by going with part of the newspaper article that another child had died before Charles. [article dated 1900]

 

[horse]

There's no evidence any of them went to Vic with her, unless they came later..

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

There's no evidence any of them went to Vic with her, unless they came later..

Geoff

She didn't come out here or the kids. John Hall the father of her kids was a lot older than Rose so im wondering if he had died before the 1911 census and the kids were put in a home, hence her having no kids with her on the 1911 census. Im just assuming of course.

 

[horse]

She didn't come out here or the kids. John Hall the father of her kids was a lot older than Rose so im wondering if he had died before the 1911 census and the kids were put in a home, hence her having no kids with her on the 1911 census. Im just assuming of course.

Oh!

You have her with the Mossops' in 1911..

There is a Rose Shipman taking 2x Mossop offspring to Vic. in 1913. And, a Rose Shipham living with a Charles Mossop [carpenter] in South Yarra in 1917.

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

Found another death for one of their kids.

Deaths Dec 1899

Hall Dick aged 1 Mansfield 7b 39

 

[horse]

HALL, HOWE mmn SHIPMAN
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 71

I believe he died in WW1..

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

Oh!

You have her with the Mossops' in 1911..

There is a Rose Shipman taking 2x Mossop offspring to Vic. in 1913. And, a Rose Shipham living with a Charles Mossop [carpenter] in South Yarra in 1917.

Geoff

OH OH jezz I hope I have the right Rose in 1911, if so then I have a rellie out here and didn't even know it OR I have the wrong Rose in 1911

 

[horse]

Who were Rose's real parents?

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

I will be back soon, since this is only to take me a while to sort out im going to the shop for some snacks

 

[horse]

I will be back soon, since this is only to take me a while to sort out im going to the shop for some snacks

OK, Gibbo.. No Problem, could be my error also!

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

Who were Rose's real parents?

Geoff

Rose's parents were Robert Shipman and Eliza Foster. Her parents are named in one of the newspaper articles in 1901.
SHIPMAN, ROSE ANN FOSTER

GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in DONCASTER IN THE COUNTIES OF YORK AND NOTTINGHAM Volume 09C Page 600

1881 census
Name Robert Shipman
Event Place Arksey, Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding, England
Registration District Doncaster
Age 36
Marital Status Married
Occupation Railway Lab
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1845
Birthplace Foston, Lincolnshire, England
Page Number 13
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 4693/10
Affiliate Record Type Household
Robert Shipman Head M 36 Foston, Lincolnshire, England
Eliza J Shipman Wife F 35 Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
Rose Ann Shipman Daughter F 13 Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
Sarah Ann Shipman Daughter F 11 Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
John R Shipman Son M 9 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
William H Shipman Son M 7 Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
Richard Shipman Son M 4 Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
Thomas Shipman Son M 2 Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
Alfred Shipman Son M 0 Bentley, Yorkshire, England

 

[gibbo]

Her parents in 1901

1901
Name Robert Shipman
Event Place Scarcliffe, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
County Nottinghamshire
Civil Parish Scarcliff (Derby)
Ecclesiastical Parish St Leonards Scarcliffe
Sub-District Pleasley
Registration District Mansfield
Age 56
Occupation COAL MINER
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1845
Birthplace Foston, Lincolnshire
Schedule Type 109
Page Number 20
Robert Shipman Head M 56 Foston, Lincolnshire
Eliza J Shipman Wife F 55 Doncaster, Yorkshire
Frank Shipman Son M 18 Bentley, Yorkshire
Edwin Shipman Son M 16 Bentley, Yorkshire -------- my great grandfather
George Shipman Son M 12 Doncaster, Yorkshire
Frances Shipman Grand Daughter F 5 Sutton In Ashfield,Nottinghamshire

 

[horse]

I think you may have the wrong Rose in 1911, I think this is that one's death! Age out!

Vic. Deaths:
Rose Ann Shipman
Birth Year: abt 1873 - Age: 69
Death Place: Mentone, Victoria
Father's name: Jno Thos Shipman Mother's name: Elizth Hickson
Registration Year: 1942
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 13673

Geoff

 

[horse]

I believe he died in WW1..

UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947:
Howell Tyneside Hall
Birth Date: abt 1898
Death Date: 13 Nov 1916
Cemetery: The Thiepval Memorial
Burial Country: France
Parents = John William Hall & Rose Hall
Regiment: Royal Navy
Regimental Number: Z/5103
Ship Name: Nelson

Geoff

 

[horse]

This may be useful, Gibbo.. It's the family address in 1916 from Howell's death.

Partial copy for ID purposes..



Geoff