Rose Shipman

[horse]

Will leave it for now, Gibbo until you have had chance to review it.

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

I think you may have the wrong Rose in 1911, I think this is that one's death! Age out!

Vic. Deaths:
Rose Ann Shipman
Birth Year: abt 1873 - Age: 69
Death Place: Mentone, Victoria
Father's name: Jno Thos Shipman Mother's name: Elizth Hickson
Registration Year: 1942
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 13673

Geoff

Yep looks like I had the wrong Rose 1911. Thanks for that, or I would probably have ended up going down the wrong path.

 

[horse]

Something to ponder..

1911
RD: Sheffield
Sub-RD: Handsworth
ADD: 1 Pashley Cottages, Sheffield Rd, Sheffield
Ref: RG14; Piece: 28034
J W Halls 70 [b. Ashover]
Rose Ann Halls 48 [b. Doncaster]
Fred Halls 16
Frances Halls 15
Hawes Halls 13
Ada Halls 9 Henry Halls 4 Mark Halls 2 Amy Halls 4 Days

Image says: Married 22y, 17 children b. alive [8 living, 9 dead]

Geoff

EDIT: Interestingly it doesn't say married in the status column for Rose?

 

[gibbo]

Something to ponder..

1911
RD: Sheffield
Sub-RD: Handsworth
ADD: 1 Pashley Cottages, Sheffield Rd, Sheffield
Ref: RG14; Piece: 28034
J W Halls 70 [b. Ashover]
Rose Ann Halls 48 [b. Doncaster]
Fred Halls 16
Frances Halls 15
Hawes Halls 13
Ada Halls 9 Henry Halls 4 Mark Halls 2 Amy Halls 4 Days

Image says: Married 22y, 17 children b. alive [8 living, 9 dead]

Geoff

EDIT: Interestingly it doesn't say married in the status column for Rose?

That looks good Geoff, more so with John been a lot older than Rose as that has shown up in the census all along. thank you. But blimey 17 kids! Sad tho that a lot of them have died.

 

[horse]

But blimey 17 kids! Sad tho that a lot of them have died.

Yeah, being a fella, no words can probably say the right thing, still, she must have been some lady, respect.

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

Yeah, being a fella, no words can probably say the right thing, still, she must have been some lady, respect.

Geoff

I guess the older ones helped with the little ones but still been pregnant that many times would have taken its toll.

 

[horse]

Not sure what info you have on the other offspring [assuming you want to know]!

This looks like a possible for Fred in 1939
Fred Hall
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1894
Address: 141
Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire
Occ: Coal Hewer Underground
Enumeration District: KIPB
RD: Sheffield 510/4
Spouse: Sarah A Hall

Possible marriage:

Marriages Q3 1918
Godber Sarah A [Hall]
Hall Fred [Godber]
Sheffield 9c, 893

Geoff

EDIT: Street name looks like Attercliffe Road.

 

[gibbo]

Thanks Geoff. Never hurts to round things off a bit so thanks for that.
Im wondering since she had one baby die from neglect whether any of the other ones who died, died from neglect as well.

 

[gibbo]

HALL, DICK mmn SHIPMAN
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 74

Just posting stuff I find on here, my table has papers thrown all over it and cant find much so posting in here I cant lose it. Been reading through all the articles in the newspaper and they mentioned another child who died 5 months before Charles died.

HALL, DICK aged 1

GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 39

 

[gibbo]

Damn Dr Harold Shipman, every time I try to google Shipman he turns up

 

[gibbo]

Found some of the kids, some births I cant find and some kids I cant find. Just posting once again so I don't lose it or it might help someone else researching this part of the family.

HALL, HOWEL born 1897 - died WW1
HALL, DICK born 1898 - died 1899 ... tubercular disease of the bowels
HALL, CHARLES born 1899 - died 1900 ... tuberculosis and neglect
Fred Halls born 1894
Annie Halls
Horace Halls
Frances Halls born
Ada Halls
Henry Halls
HALL, MARK born 1909
HALLS, AMY born 1911

 

[horse]

Fred Halls born 1894

Age/DoB same as the 1939 Reg.

FreeBMD:
Deaths Q3 1971
HALL Fred
DoB 25 Je1894
Sheffield 2d, 144

Geoff

 

[horse]

Horace Halls

This may be Howell/Hawes, Gibbo.. If so already accounted for, d. WW1.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Frances Halls

Possible marriage..

Free BMD:
Marriages Q3 1919
Dew William H [Hall]
Hall Frances [Dew]
Sheffield 9c, 1500

Oh!

FreeBMD:
Deaths Q4 1922
Dew William H
Aged 26
Ecclesall B 9c, 334

Geoff

EDIT: Not seeing an obvious remarriage or death for Frances, will leave her for now.

 

[horse]

Not finding anything for Ada, there is a tree that suggests she married a Herbert Watson..

FreeBMD:
Marriages Q3 1923
Hall Ada [Watson]
Watson Herbert [Hall]
Sheffield 9c, 1272

Also suggests death is 1948 Q4, Sheffield.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Found a copy of Frances' first marriage. She was living at the family home. Will send details.

Geoff

 

[horse]

As with some of the others this will need double checking, Gibbo.. It's from a public tree. That said, the 1939 entry has the same DoB.

"Birth
12 Dec 1906 Mansfield, Nottinghamshire"

1939 Reg:
Henry Hall
Married
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1906
Address: 124 Molineaux Rd., Sheffield
Occ: Metal Sawyer
Enumeration District: KILH
RD: Sheffield 510/3
With:
Gladys hall [DoB = 21 May 1911]
Harry Hall [DoB = 27 Aug 1929]

Harry jr. reg Q4 1929 mmn= Youle.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Im wondering since she had one baby die from neglect whether any of the other ones who died, died from neglect as well.

If you haven't got this one, may be worth looking into..

FreeBDM:
Births Q2 1911
Halls Amy
Sheffield 9c, 713

Deaths Q2 1911
Halls Amy
0
Sheffield 9c, 367

Geoff

 

[horse]

Im wondering since she had one baby die from neglect whether any of the other ones who died, died from neglect as well.

If you haven't got this one, may be worth looking into..

FreeBDM:
Births Q2 1911
Halls Amy
Sheffield 9c, 713

Deaths Q2 1911
Halls Amy
0
Sheffield 9c, 367

Geoff

EDIT: Just to confirm, mmn = Shipman

 

[gibbo]

This may be Howell/Hawes, Gibbo.. If so already accounted for, d. WW1.

Geoff

I had been wondering the same thing Geoff, if Howell was in fact Horace.