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Hello,

I've added Daniel DRAKE and James Manton CURRELL so with Royal ATKINS I'm up to 13 convicts now.

I can't at the moment work out if there are two or if it's one convict but 2 vessels?

Royal Atkins 1842 Triton Warwick
Royal Atkins 1842 North Briton Coventry

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From what i can find Dave there was only one Royal Atkins.

The ship north briton didnt arrive until 1843.

Did you know that Royal has convict records online in the Tas archives?

Tried Warwick conventry
14 Oct 1839
He was married.

Atkins, Royal
Convict No: 1816
Voyage Ship: Triton
Voyage No: 207
Arrival Date: 19 Dec 1842
Departure Date: 17 Aug 1842
Departure Port: London
Conduct Record: CON33/1/33
Indent: CON14/1/15
Description List: CON18/1/35
 

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Thanks gibbo. :)

I know he ended up in Tasmania and I've not looked there yet. Just trying to sort out the two vessels to see if one was to NSW and the other NSW to Tas.

He married and died in NSW.

V1856737 101/1856 ATKINS ROYAL - FLOOD BRIDGET VE= RC Carcoar, Cowra, Erroll, Orange


Don't know yet if Bridget was a convict from Ireland.
 
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Yeah one of my convicts come to NSW on one ship and then onto Tassie on another. But his Tassie records noted that whereas Royal seems to appear to have gone straight to Tassie.
 

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This record and the original image show the vessel as North Briton. In 1849 it lists him as 'free' next to the 7 years. Others on the page have CP = Conditional Pardon etc...

Convict #7930

Name: Royal Atkins
Arrival Date: 1842
Vessel: North Briton
Province: Tasmania
Title: Ledger Returns
Year(s): 1849
Place of Conviction: Coventry


7929 Ablitt Charles Ipswich 1842 7 years Free

7932 Appleyard John Pontefract ? 1841 7 years Free

I wonder if all those listed actually arrived on the Triton.


John Appleyard, one of 256 convicts transported on the Triton, 04 August 1842

Charles Ablitt, one of 256 convicts transported on the Triton, 04 August 1842

OK. Solved.

The original document has an error with the wrong name for the vessel for a group of convicts.
 
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Bridget wasnt a convict.

Death index
3654/1868 ATKINS BRIDGET JAMES CATHERINE CARCOAR

Arrived on the Elphinstone on the 8 Oct 1840 .. I havent looked at the actual copy of the passsenger list yet.

James Flood
Catherine
John
Thomas
Bridget
 

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Well can we now prove there is only one Royal and one Bridget? If so I'm up to 14. :2fun:

Bridget Flood, one of 170 convicts transported on the Angelina, 25 April 1844

Crime: -
Convicted at: Northumberland. Town of Newcastle Assizes
Sentence term: 7 years
Ship: Angelina
Departure date: 25th April, 1844
Arrival date*: 25th December, 1844
Place of arrival Van Diemen's Land
Passenger manifest Travelled with 170 other convicts


That does not agree with the tree which has her arriving with parents James & Catherine:

Arrival: Ship "Elphinstone"
1840 Sydney, New South Wales

Looks like 2x Bridget FLOOD.
 

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This is the right death - same place as marriage:

3654/1868 ATKINS BRIDGET - JAMES - CATHERINE - CARCOAR

Looks like I'm still at 13.

4379/1874 ATKINS ROYAL AGE 59 YEARS DIED CARCOAR CARCOAR
 

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Post #6 Dave


Edited,, i just found this

ATKINS, Bridget. sister of the above (Wm and Thos Flood), who departed this life May 6, 1868, aged 34 years (with William and Thomas Flood)
http://www.ozburials.com/CemsNSW/carcoar1.htm

FLOOD, Thomas. Their (Bridget Atkins and William Flood) brother, who departed this life June 30, 1874, aged 36 years (with Bridget Atkins and William)

FLOOD, William. Departed this life November 17, 1866, aged 23 years (with Bridget Atkins and Thomas Flood)
 
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Thanks gibbo.

principal's name: Bridget Flood
estimated birth year:
age in years:
native place of principal:
father's name: James Flood
mother's name: Catherine Flood
spouse's name:
native place of spouse:
spouse's father's name:
spouse's mother's name:
ship: Elphinstone
date of arrival:
volume: 29
gs number: 416872
dgs number: 4117084
image number: 01763
 

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Ok, it's 14 now. :2fun:

Surname First Name Age Reb Ship Tried Trial Place Term DOB Native Place Crime Marital Status Trade or Calling Remarks Died Death Place
Meurant Ferdinand 35 R Minerva (1800) 1798 Kilmainham Dublin Co Life 1765 Frontignac Champaigne France Forgery bank notes Jeweller 1844 Frontignac Prospect

Ferdinand was a convict. He escaped the French Revolution by fleeing to Ireland. He lived in Dublin where he married Sophie and had at least one child, Edward who was later apprenticed to a saddler.

He was an engraver by trade. He used his skills to forge banknotes, and was tried at Kilmainham Dublin in 1798 and sentenced to life, and was transported to Australia on the ship 'Minerva' which departed Cork on 24 Aug 1799 with 165 males and 26 females aboard. 3 males died on the voyage. The ship arrived in Sydney on 11 Jan 1800.
 

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Three different dates:

Name: Sarah Walden
Vessel: Kitty
Arrival Year: 1792
Date of Conviction: 11 Sep 1791

Name: Sarah Walden
Date of Conviction: 14 Sep 1791
Place of Conviction: Middlesex
Vessel: Kitty
Port of Arrival: New South Wales
Date of Arrival: 18 Nov 1792

Name: Sarah Walden
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1757
Birth Location: London
Date of Trial: 21 Sep 1791
Trial Year: 1791
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England
Sentence: Transportation
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

and Owen MARTIN

Might be 16 soon. :rolleyes:
 

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Name: Owen Martin
Birth Year: 1779
Origin: County Monaghan
Ticket Date: 28 Apr 1832
Immigration Year: 1819
Vessel: Minerva 3

That does not fit. A daughter born at Parramatta in 1796. ???

Sarah 'was assigned to Owen Martin as a convict servant and was listed as appointed to him in “Governor Hunter's Women Convict Assignment Report 1798” a return of convict women in the services of Officers or other households.'

2x Owen:

Owen Martin aged 18 was tried in 1790 at Fermanagh and convicted to 7 years transportation. He was transported aboard the ship 'Queen', a ship of the Third Fleet.

Owen is not listed and the 'Queen' is not listed as one of the Third Fleet:

Jan 1791 Atlantic, William and Ann, Britannia, Matilda, Salamander, Albemarle, Mary Ann, Barrington, Active

Curious:

Name: Owen Martin
Arrival Date: Sep 1791
Vessel: Queen
Fleet: Third
Province: New South Wales
Title: Male
Year(s): 1788-1819
Place of Conviction: Dublin

Oh.

The ships all departed from Plymouth, except for the 'Queen' that departed from Cork, Ireland.

The convicts from Ireland who arrived on board the 'Queen' are not included in the newspaper lists.
 
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Can't find the death reg:

Buried St John's Parramatta

Sacred
To the Memory of
OWEN MARTIN
Who departed this Life
August the 12th 1821
Aged 65 years

Age 18 at trial is way out.
 

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I'm up to 16 now unless you can prove Owen MARTIN and Sarah WALDEN are not.

Can't find their marriage 1794-1796 or birth reg for daughter Rosetta (Rose) MARTIN in 1796.

V18111224 3A/1811 MEURANT FERDINAND - MARTIN ROSE CB= CofE St John's Parramatta

Death 5903/1879 MEURANT ROSETTA - OWEN - SARAH - HARTLEY

Note: Headstone transcript: 'Rosetta Meurant, Relict of the late F. Murant ‎(sic)‎ of Seven Hills, who died January 12th 1879 aged 84 years'. ‎(Transcript no 82, Lithgow Historical Society.)‎

Meurant Rosetta 12 Jan 1879 84y w/Ferdinand; mother Hartley Vale


So for Rosetta we have age at death but no birth reg and name MARTIN when she married and parents as Owen & Sarah on death reg.

So someone has worked out it has to be Sarah WALDEN who married the first of the two Irish convict Owen MARTINs to arrive.

Can we prove it? There must be others named Sarah in Sydney in 1790s.

The marriage is no help:

St John's Parramatta No 355
Ferdinand Meurant otp Hawkesbury
Rose Martin otp Hawkesbury
Married in Church by Banns
27 May 1811 By me Samuel Marsden
Witnesses: John ? (his x mark) , Catherine (her x mark) Martin


I can see several possible problems:

A tree has his name as John Owen MARTIN with a death in 1854 not 1821 - HERE

It seems Sarah died and John/Owen remarried Catherine who is one of the witnesses. But the tree also shows Sarah's death in 1855 which is after his. ???

I'll have to look at the film again to see if I can work out the surname of John ... the other witness.
 
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We know there are 3x Owen MARTIN - 2 Irish convicts and one born in NSW in 1801 but only two death reg in NSW:

V1846490 146/1846 MARTIN OWEN AGE 47
V18542254 119/1854 MARTIN OWEN AGE 80

And the one who died in 1854 fits the age 18 at trial in Dublin yet the tree says he died in 1821 and is buried at St John's Parramatta.
 

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