RUNCIMAN & THORNLEY families

[Tom&shell]

Hello crankypants,

William THORNLEY & Betsy BALL had several children. One:

Ethel b. 1887 Petersham d. 1960 Sydney

married 1914 Sydney

Charles RUNCIMAN b. 1872 Ireland d. 1953 Artarmon

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842-1954) - Friday 27 November 1953
DEATHS
RUNCIMAN Charles -November 25, 1953 at hospital late of Weedon Road, Artarmon beloved husband of Ethel and loved father of Betty and Peggy. Privately cremated.


Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave, hope you can help... my wife has been looking through some family history and as a result following ww2 service numbers names appears to be related to William Thornley (great great grandfather) and we stumble across all your posts this evening. Do you have any information or family tree mapped? W. Thornley & Sons engineer was where her grandfather worked before moving. Any way of getting in touch and finding out your interest in the thornley heritage?

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to the Forum.


The families are not a direct line but a branch of my tree that is larger than usual for a parallel line. I keep pruning my tree to keep it under 5000 but the Runciman/Thornely/Ball bits are still there.

If I don't have the details then members here can try to help.

What specific queries do you have?

Dave

 

[Tom&shell]

Hi Dave,

My wife is just starting, long story short Anzac Day she was given both her great uncles medals to wear for a dawn service. When she got home she started chasing the history of the medals and was up till about midnight searching further and further and only interested in the thornley side at the moment

So basically where She at so far.

Her father Jeffery thornley
His father and mother were Harold John thornley & flora nichol
Harolds father
Frederick thornley married to Elsie may turner
Fredericks father was William thornley fredericks mother appears to be Betsy ball
We think Williams father is Thomas thornley

They were the Thornley's involved in the w. Thornley and sons engineering
We believe we have found Frederick's brothers and sisters and there appears to be some that only lived for a few years that some of the family members were not all that aware off. There was reference in BDM that Mary Alice one of Fredericks sister married a William George sloman in 1906 and she passed away in 1954.

During war record searches on my wife's great uncles that were in ww2 we also found links to runciman family.

We spent a few hours on all your posts on this topic and searched news paper links that a lot of your information was correct, and there there looks like there is more.

Looking I guess to see what ppl have discover in the thornley section to save a lot of extra work.

Not sure if you are aware however have been told today that Frederick thornley deceased 1946 in Brisbane who was harolds father originally married to Elsie also remarried to mirrie.

There was a lot of other information we found today through old family photos and war history. Is there any way we would be able to have a look at the thornley section of your tree and I guess as well as the ball rumciman and anything on the sloman side that you have.

Also have information

Hello and welcome to the Forum.


The families are not a direct line but a branch of my tree that is larger than usual for a parallel line. I keep pruning my tree to keep it under 5000 but the Runciman/Thornely/Ball bits are still there.

If I don't have the details then members here can try to help.

What specific queries do you have?

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 29834/1967 THORNLEY ELSIE MAY THOMAS MARTHA NEWTOWN * 25 Jul 1967

THORNLEY Elsie May Death notice 26JUL1967 Death late of Church Point SMH 28JUL1967

I did notice this - they are not together

1930 NSW Electoral Roll - Lang - Sydenham
THORNLEY Elsie May, 39 Sydney street, home duties

1936 & 1937 NSW Electoral Roll - Dalley - Marrickville
THORNLEY Elsie May, 39 Sydney street, home duties

but never suspected Frederick had remarried. ???


My tree is not on-line. It is a work in progress even after 9 years. No way I can say it's 100% correct.

Marriages Dec 1876
Thornley William Bolton 8c 383
BALL Betsey Bolton 8c 383

Lancs BMD Ball Betsy Thornley William Bolton St. Peter 18/26/229
William Thornley 21 years Bachelor Ironturner 317 Lever Street Bolton Son of Thomas Thornley Ironturner
Betsy Ball 20 years Spinster No occupation listed Parrot Street Bolton Daughter of Simeon Ball Collier
On the 25th December 1876 the Parish Church Bolton le Moors in the county of Lancaster
In the presence of John Thornley and Mary Ellen Fielding
All parties signed.

Marriage: 25 Dec 1876 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
William Thornley - 21, Ironturner, Bachelor, 317 Lever Street
Betsy Ball - 20, Spinster, Parrot Street
Groom's Father: Thomas Thornley, Ironturner
Bride's Father: Simeon Ball, Collier
Witness: John Thornley; Mary Ellen Fielding
Married by Banns by: John Stott, Lecturer & Curate
Notes: [Bride signed 'Betsey Ball']


I think I know William's parents but it needs a bit more detail so I can be more certain.

As it turns out I was moving to 'T' in my tree to review what I had as of next Monday.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I might have an answer in about 10 minutes re mother of William.

Confirmation now that GRO have added an option to search for earlier birth records with mother's maiden name.

THORNLEY, WILLIAM - BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 08C Page 272

Marriages Jun 1852
Thornley Thomas Bolton 8c 280
Brockbank Jane Bolton 8c 280

They both signed by their mark x.

Marriage: 6 Jun 1852 St. Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Thornley - (X), Full Mechanic Bachelor of Great Bolton
Jane Brockbank - (X), Minor Spinster of Great Bolton
Groom's Father: Jeremiah Thornley, Mechanic
Bride's Father: William Brockbank, Shoe Maker
Witness: William Mather, (X); James Liptrot
Married by Banns by: C.R. Pilling Curate
Register: Marriages 1851 - 1852, Page 124, Entry 247
Source: Microfilm of register at Manchester Library

Older brother

THORNLEY, JEREMIAH - BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 08C Page 289

Jeremiah c. 27 Feb 1853 Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire, England
Thomas Thornley & Jane Thornley
Batch: C013357


Stuck.

Can't find a birth/baptism record for Thomas or his father Jeremiah.

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't yet have dob or baptism for Mary Alice

Births Mar Qtr 1879 THORNLEY Mary Alice Bolton 8c 475 ms BALL


1943 NSW Electoral Roll - Parramatta - Gordon
SLOMAN Mary Alice, Kywong avenue, Pymble, home duties

1949 & 1954 NSW Electoral Roll - Bradfield - Gordon
SLOMAN Mary Alice, 3 Kywong avenue, Pymble, home duties

Death 1527/1954 SLOMAN MARY ALICE WILLIAM BETTY CHATSWOOD * 3 Feb 1954

The Sydney Morning Herald - Fri 5 Feb 1954 p.26
DEATHS
SLOMAN, Mary Alice.-February 3, 1954, at Pymble, wife of the late William George Sloman, and loved mother of Ethel, Bessie and Mabel.

FUNERALS
SLOMAN.-The Funeral of the late Mrs. MARY ALICE SLOMAN, of Pymble, will leave Ernest Andrews' Chapels, corner Pacific Highway and Thomas Street, Chatswood, This Day, after service commencing at 1 p.m., for the Church of England Cemetery, at Rookwood.
ERNEST ANDREWS, Chatswood. JA2834.

MARY SLOMAN Age 74 - 5/02/1954 Zone B CCC 517

 

[DaveHam9]

Birth 6311/1874 SLOMAN WILLIAM G GEORGE ALICE M ALBURY * 10 Oct 1874
Can't find a birth notice in Trove

1913 NSW Electoral Roll - DULWICH HILL - LIVINGSTONE POLLING-PLACE
SLOMAN Mary Alice, Illawarra-road, domestic duties
SLOMAN William George, Illawarra-road, engineer

1930 & 1933 NSW Electoral Roll - Parramatta - Waitara
SLOMAN William George, Stuart avenue, Normanhurst, builder
SLOMAN Mary Alice, Stuart avenue, Normanhurst, home duties

1936 NSW Electoral Roll - Parramatta - Waitara
SLOMAN William George, 29 Stuart avenue, Normanhurst, builder
SLOMAN Mary Alice, 29 Stuart avenue, Normanhurst, home duties

1939 ?

Death 26749/1940 SLOMAN WILLIAM GEORGE GEORGE ALICE NEWTOWN * 3 Dec 1940

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thu 5 Dec 1940 p.6
DEATHS
SLOMAN.-December 3, 1940, at Gloucester House, William George, beloved husband of Mary Alice, and loved father of Ethel, Bessie, Mabel, and Herbert.

FUNERALS
SLOMAN.-The Relatives and Friends of the late WILLIAM GEORGE SLOMAN, of Pymble, are invited to attend his Funeral, to leave Ernest Andrews' Funeral Chapel, corner of Pacific Highway and Thomas Street, Chatswood, THIS DAY, after service commencing at 1.30 p.m., for the Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood.
ERNEST ANDREWS, Chatswood. JA2834.

WILLIAM SLOMAN Age 66 - 5/12/1940 Zone B CCC 517