Ruth Allen c1856

[p.risboy]

I'm back again.

Looking for birth parents of Ruth Allen b.1856. Illmire (Ilmer) Bucks.

Turns up as visitor in 1861 census at the age of 6.

Married to George Stevens(1852). 1/4 - 1881

Any help would be appreciated.

Steve.

 

[benny1982]

Hi Steve

Have you found a possible birth for Ruth Allen?

What is her fathers name on her marriage certificate?

Ben

 

[juliejtp]

The household that Ruth is visitor to (Cummings) a John Cummings married in 1860 and one of the brides listed is a Mary Allen. Just thought I'ld let you know

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Julie and Bennie,

I have no certs. nor birth date. I have 2 other 'family' members who have come up against their own brickwalls as far as Ruth Allen is concerned. They have independently come to the same point as me.

I suppose I will have to order the marriage cert. to find out more.:'(

As far as the possible John Cummings link, would that make Mary Allen her aunt or sister if it was proven.

Julie, was it 'brides' or 'bridesmaids' listed.

Sorry if I am a pain.

Steve.

 

[juliejtp]

Steve she was one of the brides listed. You can view this on the free bmd or Ancestry.co.uk

 

[benny1982]

Hi

Mary may have been her mother. The marriage cert should tell more but I am sure Mary is a relative of some sort.

Ben

 

[juliejtp]

This is the only one that comes up on the birth register with 1856 +/- 5years

Sarah Angelina Ruth Allen year 1855 district Wycombe Buckinghamshire.

Let us know when you get the marriage certificate!

 

[p.risboy]

Have ordered marriage cert. £7 of my xmas box gone.:'( I am sure it will be worth it.
No pain, no gain.

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Good news, got the marriage cert. today. Bad news, no parents names given for her. :'(
Residence is given as Monks Risborough, Meadle, for both William Stevens and Ruth Allen.
Married in the parish of same.

Witnesses on cert. were Thomas and Elizabeth Cummings, the family she was visiting on 1861 census.
Found Mary Allen b.1846 in the same area working as Milkmaid. Trawled all the way through the census for the area, and found no other Allens.:'(

Oh well, must keep looking.

Steve.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Steve,

Would it be worthwhile getting Marys marriage certificate? bit more of your xmas box to spend.

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Steve,

Would it be worthwhile getting Marys marriage certificate? bit more of your xmas box to spend.

It definately would be if they were from the same family. Would you please have any ideas where to find it.
I think there are several other Mary entries in Bucks.

Steve.

 

[juliejtp]

Steve theres this marriage:-

John Cummings

Year 1860

District Wycombe

Jan/Feb/Mar 1/4

Vol 3a
Page 421

One of the brides listed is a Mary Allen

 

[juliejtp]

Wondering if this is the family in 1841

Civil parish Illmire
RD Wycombe
Sub reg district Princess Risborough

Thomas Allen age 34 occ ag. lab
Mary Allen age 30
Elizabeth Allen age 10
Maria Allen age 8
Ann Allen age 6
Mary Allen age 3
William Allen age 6

All born in county

 

[p.risboy]

Wondering if this is the family in 1841

Civil parish Illmire
RD Wycombe
Sub reg district Princess Risborough

Thomas Allen age 34 occ ag. lab
Mary Allen age 30
Elizabeth Allen age 10
Maria Allen age 8
Ann Allen age 6
Mary Allen age 3
William Allen age 6

All born in county

Hi Juilie, the marriage fits nicely, 1861 they have a son Thomas 4months old and Ruth 6yrs old visitor as said before.

If Ruth's parents are Thomas and Mary that would make them 49 & 45 yrs old at her birth, which is possible.
Found them 1851 Saunderton(parish) ED 2 House 1

Thomas 42yrs old
No Mary.(mother)
Ann- 15
Mary- 13
William 10yrs old. Must have been mistranscribed in 1841 (0? new born ?)
Lucy- 8
Jane- 6


There are a lot 'Allens' in Bledlow, Bucks. Same area as the other parishes, but as usual boundary changes confuse matters.

But still no Ruth. She's not far away, i will just have to look a little bit more. Should be easy now.

Thanks Julie, Steve.:kissu:

 

[p.risboy]

Found another potential candidate for Ruth's parents.

1851 census. The Ford, Bledlow, Bucks

James Allen born c1821 Princes Risboro. occ vitualer
Ann (Roberts?) born c1825 Princes Risboro
Ann Roberts born c1791 - Mother-in-law.

1861 as above +
William 8
Emily 6

Ann Roberts.(1825) Father, Levi Roberts, occ. Publican.

Above address is half a mile from where Ruth is visiting the Cummings in 1861 along a direct trackway. It's still there today.

Any thoughts. Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

This is the only one that comes up on the birth register with 1856 +/- 5years

Sarah Angelina Ruth Allen year 1855 district Wycombe Buckinghamshire.

Let us know when you get the marriage certificate!

I have resisted ordering this birth cert, but have come to the conclusion that there is no alternative.
If this is not the correct one, then I'm lost.
If it is the right one, it's onwards or should it be backwards.

The 'Settee money box' is now exhausted.

Fingers crossed.

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Steve,

Would it be worthwhile getting Marys marriage certificate? bit more of your xmas box to spend.

Held off on the Mary's marriage cert Julie.
It is more than fair to assume that Mary is Ruth's mother.

Have found John and Mary(Allen) Cummings, living 3 doors down from the Stevens family(Ruth's in-laws).

And two doors up from Ruth(Allen) and George(Stevens) newlyweds.

A further 2 doors up, are John Cummings brother and family.

I will now order Ruth Allens Birth cert for father's name, I hope. It may be John Cummings hopefully.

I have also found Ruth's grandmother/father and Gt.Grandmother, but no Gt.grandfather as yet.

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Just got Sarah Angelina Ruth Allen's birth cert 26/Dec/1854.
Mothers name is Elizabeth Allen.
Residence-Lockingford, Saunderton, Bucks.
No father named.

I have assumed that Thomas Allen b.1808, Lockingford, Saunderton. is her(Ruth) grandfather.
And Mary Allen(Cummings) is her Aunty.


The communities of Ilmer and Saunderton are the size of peas. And due to boundary changes, Ilmer comes under Longwick in later years.

So I have been looking in Ilmer-Longwick, and should also have been looking in Ilmer-Saunderton.

I am chasing my tail now.

Steve.

Waiting on Mary Allen and Cummings marriage cert. X fingers.

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Hi all,
I have just recieved Mary Allen+John Cummings marriage cert. (After 6 weeks)

Feb 4th. 1860.
James Cummings. Father.
Thomas Allen. Father.
Witnesses.
Jane Cummings. Sister.
Abel Briars.? (Smudged)
Residence at time of marriage. Meadle, Monks Risborough. Bucks.

Ruth Allen had a middle name of Elizabeth. Found her in 1871 as a housemaid resident at 53, Easton St. Wycombe, Bucks.

Now whether John Cummings is her actual father, I'm not sure if I'll find that out. But if I can find Ruth's baptism he may be revealed.

Now. Mary Allen had a sister Elizabeth b.1831 who I think died in 1854, the same year as Ruth was born. So did Mary take on her niece Ruth.
I can't seem to find Elizabeth in later census, and no real marriage details.

I will now have to order Elizabeth Allen's death cert to find out. Just hope I order the correct one.

The thick plottens.

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Folks,
Ruth Allen was brought up by her Aunty Mary. Ruth's mother, Elizabeth Allen, died.

Found baptisms entries for Ruth Allen, and her cousin Thomas Cummings on the same day.
Mary Cummings(nee Allen) had Ruth Allen baptised with her son
There is no record of her father, so that will never be known. But at least I have her mother Elizabeth Allen.

Steve.