Ruth BALE & Henry HILL

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Ruth BALE b. Mar Q 1845 Middlesex - parents John BALE & Hannah LLOYD

Qld. Marriage 30 March 1863/B0499 Hill Henry - Bale Ruth

I can find no trace of them after 1868.

Children born in Qld.

1864/B2280 Hill James Bennett - Henry - Ruth Bale
1866/B5530 Hill Alice Amelia - Henry - Ruth Bale
1868/B8583 Hill Harriet Ada - Henry - Ruth Bale

Looking for any more info on both of them.

Regards,

Dave

 

[oznannie]

Hi Dave
Just to confuse you...there's a tree in Anc which has Ruth marrying a James Hill bn Tasmania 1843.
James had a sister Harriett and a brother Bennett. Parents listed born England died in Tassie.
Alice Amelia died aged 23 yrs Launceston in 1889.
Ruth Hill died Tasmania aged 32yrs 1876.
Harriett Ada 18 married Nathaniel Ablitt Clark 1886 Launceston.
James Bennett married Maria Maher 1894 in Launceston.

Ozn

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ozn.

It's possible because I certainly can't find them in Queensland.

I can complicate this too. :biggrin: A sister:

Marriage 14 July 1880/C0655 Hill Henry James - Bale Rachel Elizabeth

Children
1882/B29539 Hill Herbert John - Henry James - Rachel Elizabeth Bale
1884/C05067 Hill Vena Hannah - Henry James - Rachel Elizabeth Bale
1888/C07076 Hill Alice Mabel - Henry - Rachel Elizabeth Bale

Death 1948/C02410 Hill Rachel Elizabeth - John Lloyd Bale - Hannah Lloyd

I can't find a death for Henry. I even wondered if it was the same Henry.

No mention of Henry:

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld. : 1933-1954) - Tuesday 11 May 1948 p.6
DEATHS
HILL Rachel Elizabeth.-8th May, Guy St. Warwick, late Auchenflower, beloved Mother, Grandmother, Great Grandmother of Mr. and Mrs. H. G. Hill, Mrs. V. Crone, Mr. and Mrs. L. Crone & Family, Mr. and Mrs. H. Crone, aged 91 years 8 months. At rest.

Regards,

Dave

 

[oznannie]

Hi Dave..
Head spins...
James bn Tassie his mother was Eliza LLOYD
bn Cloth Fair Holborn, married Joseph Hill 1842 Launceston
Died Launceston 1879.
Big Tassie connections here.
Joseph bn 1811 England died aged 82yrs in Launceston 1898.

Ozn

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ozn.

Well, I hope I can make sense of those HILLs.

 

[DaveHam9]

I have found the following on the Tasmanian BMD fiche:

Joseph HILL 30 & LLOYD Eliza 24 at Launceston 15 Feb 1842 RGD 37 #1357

Harriet Ada HILL 18 & CLARK Nathaniel Ablett 21 at Launceston 22 Dec 1886 RGD 37 #717

James HILL died 3 Dec 1879 aged 70 at Launceston RGD 35 #712

Alice Amelia HILL died 10 Jun 1889 aged 23 at Launceston RGD 35 #252

Cannot find a birth for James HILL or a death for Ruth HILL.

No birth reg for James I can understand but if Ruth died in 1876 then it should be on the fiche.

One set of fiche cover BMD 1803-1889 and another set covers marriages 1900-1909 so there is a gap in the coverage of marriages on fiche.

 

[DaveHam9]

I am lost.

The James who died in 1879 was not the one born abt 1843 to parents Joseph and Eliza. Fiche clearly had age as 70. Estimate of age can't be that far out.

Is it the same James / aka Henry HILL who married the BALE sisters?

I'm thinking the James/Henry born 1843 died after 1887.

Joseph bn 1811 England died aged 82yrs in Launceston 1898.

Could find no fiche to check that one.


I would like to find proof Ruth died in Tasmania in 1876. I'm now wondering if I should check all with given name Ruth on fiche for 1876. Perhaps she remarried.

 

[gibbo]

This is all i can get as the article hasnt been fully digitalised as yet.

BEACONSFIELD FUNERAL Mrs. H. A. Clark [coming soon]
Examiner (Launceston, Tas. : 1900 - 1954) Thursday 7 March 1940 Edition: DAILY p 8 Article... afternoon. She was the daughter of the late James and Ruth Hill. and was born af :Springhill, Queensland, ... 249 words

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I might be wrong but I still think it's the same HILL who married the sisters.

If not then we have nothing at all apart from the marriage for the one who married Rachel.

 

[gibbo]

I found this death but i cant find a death notice to help with any names etc.

1895/C2517 Henry James Hill Henry Hill Elizabeth Trigg

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes thanks. And two other deaths for a Henry. I made no progress eliminating them.

 

[gibbo]

I wonder if we can find where Rachel Elizabeth is buried and see if her hubby is with her

 

[gibbo]

Dave this could be a possible error or if not it could get real interesting Apparently Henry was born in Tassie which might explain why the family went back there. ALSO notice Ruth and Henry's mother's both have the same maiden name I wonder if there is something to that

•ID: I1448
•Name: Ruth BALE
•***: F
•Birth: 12 DEC 1844 in Kensington, London; 3-329
•Death: 3 SEP 1876

Father: John BALE b: in Norfolk, England
Mother: Hannah LLOYD

Marriage 1 Henry HILL b: 8 JAN 1843 in East Tamar, Tasmania c: 4 JUN 1843 in Holy Trinity, Launceston, Tasmania # 32 •Married: 30 MAR 1863 in John Kingsford Jiveh Chapel, Brisbane, Queensland


•ID: I1449
•Name: Henry HILL
•***: M
•Birth: 8 JAN 1843 in East Tamar, Tasmania
•Christening: 4 JUN 1843 Holy Trinity, Launceston, Tasmania # 32

Father: Joseph HILL b: 1812 in Old Swinford, Worcester, England c: 25 OCT 1812 in Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Mother: Eliza LLOYD b: 1817 in Cloth Fair, Holborn, London c: 27 JUL 1817 in St Andrew's, Holborn # 614

Marriage 1 Ruth BALE b: 12 DEC 1844 in Kensington, London; 3-329 •Married: 30 MAR 1863 in John Kingsford Jiveh Chapel, Brisbane, Queensland

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, I noticed both were LLOYD.

1943 QLD Electoral Roll - Darling Downs - Warwick
HILL Rachel Elizabeth, Crone's, Grafton st., home duties

Death 1948/C02410 Hill Rachel Elizabeth - John Lloyd Bale - Hannah Lloyd

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld. : 1933-1954) - Tuesday 11 May 1948 p.6
DEATHS
HILL Rachel Elizabeth.-8th May, Guy St. Warwick, late Auchenflower, beloved Mother, Grandmother, Great Grandmother of Mr. and Mrs. H. G. Hill, Mrs. V. Crone, Mr. and Mrs. L. Crone & Family, Mr. and Mrs. H. Crone, aged 91 years 8 months. At rest.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hannah LLOYD baptised 25 Feb 1814 - not confirmed.

Death 15 Apr 1896/C03358 Bale Hannah - George Lloyd - Hannah Simmons


A brother and a slight variation with mother's name:

name: Jephshah Lloyd
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 16 May 1809
birthplace: BAPTIST,GRUNDISBURGH,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: George Lloyd
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah Seammens
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C09278-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0825403 (RG4 16, 17)
reference number:

 

[DaveHam9]

Eliza LLOYD's parents are given as William and Louisa NICHOLLS not George & Hannah.

 

[gibbo]

Ok just a coincidence with the Lloyd name by the looks of things.

So what now with it? Still looking for Ruth's death i assume :2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, Ruth's death. I will check all named Ruth for that year on Monday.

I didn't find the 1843 birth for Henry to confirm what is in that tree.


Rachel is probably buried in Warwick.

Is it just coincidence Ruth and Rachel married a HILL. Or too much to have Henry return to Queensland after Ruth died to marry Rachel?

Rachel was 24 in 1880.

Birth 1856/B0190 Bale Rachael Elizabeth - John - Hannah Lloyd
3781/1856 BALE RACHAEL E - JOHN - HANNAH - BRISBANE MORETON BAY

 

[DaveHam9]

Children
1882/B29539 Hill Herbert John - Henry James - Rachel Elizabeth Bale
1884/C05067 Hill Vena Hannah - Henry James - Rachel Elizabeth Bale
1888/C07076 Hill Alice Mabel - Henry - Rachel Elizabeth Bale

That points to a death for Henry.


That tree has no death for the Henry who married Ruth.

 

[gibbo]

You most likely have this marriage already


Groom's Name: John Bale
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Bride's Name: Hannah Lloyd
Bride's Birth Date:
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Marriage Date: 14 Jul 1833
Marriage Place:Saint James,Westminster,London,England
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M14751-7
System Origin:
England-ODM
Source Film Number:1042320
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