SADLER family

[DaveHam9]

I have found 4 trees and amazingly they are all DIFFERENT and none agree fully with what we know.

None have a death for John senior or 2nd Jane or Beatrice.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Jane Eliza Sadler who died in 1870 Shoreditch has her year of birth abt 1836.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie,

Bits and pieces have been found along the way so it's progress. But several important gaps remain. I think the main two are: Did John die in NSW and if he did what happened to the 2nd Jane. One of the trees has only one Jane and lists her as Jane Eliza LOVE. One tree lists 3 marriages for John R. Too many errors in all 4 trees and no deaths to make any of the trees useful.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

One tree has this as the 2nd of three marriages:

Marriages Sep 1871
Cockman Eliza Sarah W Ham 4a 17
Sadler John Robert W. Ham 4a 17

Do we have 2x John Robert ? - I doubt one married 4 times:

Marriages Jun 1858
Alferd Sarah Goodchild Lambeth 1d 363
Alford Sarah Goodchild Lambeth 1d 363
Graves Mary Lambeth 1d 363
Jones Thomas Lambeth 1d 363
Sadler John Robert Lambeth 1d 363

Marriages Dec 1860
Allen Edward John Marylebone 1a 796
Edwards Jane Eliza Marylebone 1a 796 ***
Jolliffe Fanny Marylebone 1a 796
Sadler John Robert Marylebone 1a 796

Marriages Mar 1879
Howlett Eliza Fulham 1a 320
LOVE Jane Fulham 1a 320 ***
Pratt Joseph Henry Fulham 1a 320
SADLER John Robert Fulham 1a 320


I have these *** as the two that fit the John Robert in my tree.

None of the 4 trees have the 1858 marriage.

 

[juliejtp]

The marriage in 1860 give Johns father, John Sadler licensed victualler and Jane's father Abraham Edwards - coachman. One of the witnesses is Sarah Ja-- Edwards.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

The location of the 1860 marriage and the location for the couple with no children in 1861 and the Jane E in census and Jane Eliza in baptism record all point to Jane Eliza EDWARDS as the first one.

The gap to Beatrice points to Jane LOVE as the 2nd. That's my thinking.


Two of the trees have James as the father of John Robert b. 1839. And these as brothers:

William Henry Sadler 1842-1874

Edward Albert Sadler 1848-


William Henry Sadler
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 21 Feb 1842
christening: 31 Aug 1856 SAINT LUKE OLD STREET,​FINSBURY,​LONDON,​ENGLAND
parents: James Sadler,​ Jane


Edward Alfred Sadler
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 08 Sep 1848
christening: 31 Aug 1856 Finsbury,​ Middlesex,​ England
residence: 1848 Finsbury,​ Middlesex,​ England
parents: James Sadler,​ Jane Sadler

No matching baptism for a John Robert.

 

[juliejtp]

The baptism for Beatrice - 4 Apr 1880/Born 28 Nov 1870? as per image - St Thomas Bethnel Green - Father John Robert/Mother Jane Eliza - Address 96 Ravenscroft Street.

 

[DaveHam9]

Something not quite right. Probably 28 Nov 1879.

Beatrice Henrietta Sadler 4 Apr 1880 John Robert Sadler, Jane Sadler Bethnal Green St Thomas Tower Hamlets


Births Mar 1880
SADLER Beatrice Henrietta Bethnal Green 1c 203


I can't find the birth/baptism of a 2nd John Robert to account for the 1858 marriage.

Lots of baptisms for children of John Robert & Sarah Goodchild. It should be easy to rule that one out by finding him with Sarah in 1861.

 

[juliejtp]

I think the year should have read 1879 and her birth was registered in early 1880.

A possible baptism for Jane Love.

1852 - 1 Aug 1852 - Lime House St Anne - Tower Hamlets

10 Parnham? Street

Jane Eliza Love

Father William Charles Love - Mariner/ Mother Mary Ann Love

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

Oh, so they were both Jane Eliza.

No death in NSW for a Jane as SADLER with those parents.

No marriage in NSW after 1887 for a Jane SADLER.

 

[DaveHam9]

Two of several:

John William Sadler
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 02 Feb 1859
christening: 09 Mar 1859 HOLY TRINITY,​CLAPHAM,​SURREY,​ENGLAND
parents: John Robert Sadler,​ Sarah Goodchild

Henry Arthur Sadler
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 13 Nov 1865
christening: 30 Dec 1865 HOLY TRINITY,​CLAPHAM,​SURREY,​ENGLAND
parents: John Robert Sadler,​ Sarah Goodchild

Goodchild is a middle name.


Sarah Goodchild Alford
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 17 Feb 1833
christening: 17 Mar 1833 SAINT BENET PAULS WHARF,​LONDON,​LONDON,​ENGLAND
parents: William Sackvile Alford,​ Sarah

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Henry Arthur Sadler - father John Robert Sadler/Mother Sarah Goodchild.
Johns occupation is given as manufacturing chemist.

 

[juliejtp]

Marriage - 16 Dec 1880 - St. Paul Upper Holloway

John William Sadler - publican - father John Robert Sadler dec'd occ manufacturing chemist
Amelia Gammons -father William Gammons occ gardener

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

I am wondering if this is the father of John Robert born 1839 and if this is the John Robert who married again in 1858.

John Robert Sadler
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 20 Feb 1812
christening: 08 Jan 1815 SAINT JAME'S,​ WESTMINSTER,​ LONDON,​ ENGLAND
residence: 1812 Westminster,​ London,​ England
parents: John Sadler,​ Sarah


I noticed it said deceased as of Dec 1880.

Still the 1871 marriage to fit in somehow.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

John Robert Sadler baptised 12 Aug 1838 - Finsbury St Luke
Father John Robert Sadler - occ baker
Mother Jane

7 Collingwood Street

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

So a baker and a chemist.

I'm lost. Don't know how this one fits in:

Deaths Jun 1871
Sadler John Robert 6 Shoreditch 1c 117


1861 a John born abt 1814 with Sarah in Pancras - baker or chemist?

Have I got the right one? Baptisms before and after 1861 with parents John Robert & Sarah Goodchild.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

May have a possible death for Jane Eliza Sadler (Love)

1923 - Islington

Jane E Sadler - born abt 1851 - age 72


Or this one

1920 - Barnett/Middx

Jane E Sadler - born abt 1852 - age 68

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

There is one of those two:

name: Jane E Sadler
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 50
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Islington, London
record type: Household
registration district: Islington
sub-district: Upper Holloway
ecclesiastical parish: St John
civil parish: Islington
county: London, Middlesex


This one is born Middlesex:

HOUSEHOLD SADLER JANE ELIZABETH F 1850 61 Fulham London

 

[juliejtp]

Thanks Julie.

So a baker and a chemist.

I'm lost. Don't know how this one fits in:

Deaths Jun 1871
Sadler John Robert 6 Shoreditch 1c 117


1861 a John born abt 1814 with Sarah in Pancras - baker or chemist?

Have I got the right one? Baptisms before and after 1861 with parents John Robert & Sarah Goodchild.

John who died in 1870 has his year of birth 1865.

There is a death for a John Robert Sadler registered 1865 Shoreditch - no age recorded.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

There's another John Sadler (John Cox Ipsley/Hippsley Sadler on childrens baptisms) who is a chemist married to Mary. Son John baptised 1833 Clapham.