Samuel & Frances YOUNG

[gibbo]

Place of death Mpna = ?

Mpna = Mooroopna

http://bdmabbreviations.steveparker.id.au/

 

[gibbo]

VPRS 7591/P2 unit 901, item 257/132
Samuel YOUNG. Date of grant: 16 Aug 1933; Date of death: 23 Oct 1928; Occupation: Ex Farmer; Residence: Longwarry.,
Not yet digitised
1928 to No date
Wills
Master of the Supreme Court
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The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954)
Wed 21 Jun 1933
Notice is hereby given that after the expiration of fourteen days from the publication hereof APPLICATION will be made to the Supreme Court of Victoria, In its probate Jurisdiction, that PROBATE of the WILL, dated the seventeenth day of February, 1926. of SAMUEL YOUNG, late of Longwarry. in Victoria, Retired Farmer, deceased, may be GRANTED to Lily Grant, of Shepparton East, married woman, being the executrix appointed by the said will.
Dated this 19th day of June, 1933.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/203818641

Event Birth
Event registration number 11794
Registration year 1892
Family name YOUNG
Given names Lilly
Father's name Sam
Mother's name Antoinette (Stockdale)
Place of birth CARLTON NORTH

Event Death
Event registration number 15621
Registration year 1984
Family name GRANT
Given names Lily
Father's name YOUNG Samuel
Mother's name Antoinette (Stockdale)
Place of birth Carlton
Place of death Sale
Age 92

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Still lots of gaps that may not be filled.

 

[gibbo]

Arrival to New Zealand

Ship Name Alumbagh

Frances E Young Immigration 18 Aug 1875 Auckland, New Zealand Single Lancashire 1875 Auckland Alumbagh Auckland
William A Young Immigration 18 Aug 1875 Auckland, New Zealand Single Lancashire 1875 Auckland Alumbagh Auckland
Jno Geo Young Immigration 18 Aug 1875 Auckland, New Zealand Single Lancashire

Frances aged 23, William aged 4 and Jon aged 2

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XT3-7W1?i=26&cc=1609792

 

[gibbo]

Possible arrival of Samuel the year before.

Ship Name Queen of Nations

Samuel Young Immigration 05 Jul 1874 Auckland, New Zealand Donegal carpenter

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRNS-JVD?i=16&cc=1609792

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Now for arrival of ...

STOCKDALE, ANTOINETH - NASH
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 498

... in Vic. by 1891.

I didn't find it on PROV.

 

[gibbo]

Saml Young
Spouse: Antoinette Stocedale
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Number: 6292

Might be pushing it for time limits on this one between census and arrival and a marriage.

1891 census - Sunday, 5 April
Geo Stockdale Head 38 England
Antoinette Stockdale Sister 32 England
J B Stockdale Visitor 62 England
Joe Jackman Boarder 24 England

Then arrival into VIC

aged 30 547 JUL - 9 B ORMUZ 1891 STOCKDALE, A MRS

We dont know what month they married in 1891 AND i might not even have the right person

 

[gibbo]

Dont know if anything else can be found on her to help.

FMP
Stockdale A 1861 — 1891 Victoria Inward Passenger Lists 1839-1923 —

Stockdale A Mrs 1861 — 1891 Victoria Inward Passenger Lists 1839-1923 —

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I'll have a look.

Damn - no departure port or date

arrival: Ormuz
Destination: Sydney 1891 Jul 20
Date Item Details Source
primary source AO [2498]

Looking at that voyage and the previous one - 44 days.


She would still be single. Looks to be the right one in 1891 census.

Something odd about that vessel. The index has hundreds of names and the image has only 35 passengers.

 

[DaveHam9]

George Stockdale
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Rusholme, Lancashire, England
Registration District Chorlton
Residence Note Walmer St
Age 27
Occupation Warehouseman
Birthplace Salford, Lancashire, England
Page Number 10
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 3911/33
Francis Stockdale Head F Widow 57 London Surrey, London, Middlesex, England
George Stockdale Son M 27 Salford, Lancashire, England
Antionnette Stockdale Daughter F 21 Rusholme Mchester, England
Ellnor Jane Stockdale Daughter F 19 Rusholme Mchester, England

Frances

This does not fit

Deaths Mar Qtr 1887
Stockdale Frances Jane 56 Chorlton 8c 501

 

[DaveHam9]

This one seems too old

Deaths Mar Qtr 1875
STOCKDALE John 68 Preston 8e 460

and this one not old enough to marry in 1850

Deaths Jun Qtr 1876
STOCKDALE John 36 Salford 8d 49


Death for Frances ?

 

[DaveHam9]

Antoinett Stockdale
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Rusholme, Lancashire, England
Enumeration District 60
Age 12
Occupation Scholar
Birthplace Rusholme, Lancashire
Entry Number 18
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/3985/0201
Frances J Stockdale Head F Widow 40 Laundress London
George Stockdale Son M 17 Salford, Lancashire
Antoinett Stockdale Daughter F 12 Rusholme, Lancashire
Elinor Jane Stockdale Daughter F 10 Rusholme, Lancashire

The 1850 marriage has no middle initial/name for Frances.

Deaths Mar Qtr 1887
Stockdale Frances Jane 56 Chorlton 8c 501

Age in 1881 must be wrong.

 

[DaveHam9]

Probably

STOCKDALE, JOHN 30
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 349


STOCKDALE, JOHN 48
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 155

No sign of probate records to confirm one of those.

 

[DaveHam9]

Same parish and street.

Antoine M Standal
County Lancashire
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Rusholme, Lancashire
Ecclesiastical Parish Holy Trinity
Registration District Chorlton
Residence Note Walmer Street
Page Number 17
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 2874 / 41
John Standal Head M 29 Master Tailor Balthane, Lancashire
Maria Standal Wife F 31 London, Middlesex
Marie E Standal Daughter F 9 Northwich, Lancashire
George Y Standal Son M 7 Saltaire, Lancashire
Ema Ann Standal Daughter F 5 Parley, Middlesex
Antoine M Standal Daughter F 3 ..., Lancashire
Oliver Standal Daughter F 0 ..., Lancashire
Oliver Standal Sister F 23 Ibstone, Lancashire

 

[DaveHam9]

Can't see the 1891 marriage in Vic. in Trove.

I didn't go to the local library today because it's freezing outside.


June 1891
The Orient Co.'s R.M.S. Ormuz left
Colombo outwards on June 30.

Albany, Adelaide, Melbourne then Sydney, ...
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8662007

Also, 340 for all ports in other classes.


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8634442

... left London on 5th ult. (June)...

 

[gibbo]

Can't see the 1891 marriage in Vic. in Trove.

No, not real good at family notices were they :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

No. We have probably done all we can with this one.

There is a shipping reel at the library for the 'Ormuz' but not sure if it will only list the Sydney passengers.

 

[DaveHam9]

Ran out of time so it will have to be next trip to the library.

 

[DaveHam9]

Got around to it today at the State Library.

No use at all as it lists only the July 1890 voyage of S S Ormuz.

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm back to this to check something.