Samuel NEALE & Esther WATTS

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Sep Qtr 1854 Lambeth 1d 607
NEALE Samuel & WATTS Esther Sophie

Looking for the date and any details or an image, thanks.

Dave

 

[Bootzy]

Nothing showing up..
UK Nat Probate Index of Wills & Admin.. 1915
NEALE Esther Sophia of 6 Avenue du Lac La Tour de Peilz Switzerland, Widow die 30 January 1915. Probate London 16 April to Richard Tovey Rawlings gentleman. Effects 1390pounds 1s.6d

1881 UK census has Samuel and Esther at her parents home.
Parish: Streatham, County London at 5 Brockwell Villas Norwood rd.
Reg District Wandsworth, ED 14 Piece 666 Folio 41 Page 6

1891 census – Beckington Somerset ED 2 Piece 1908, Folio 16

Esther’s parents marriage has Parish Register 7 Aug 1828 St Mary Islington to Henry Watts

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

Something wrong somewhere.

1911
RG14 Piece 1102
Parish: St John At Hackney
County: London
Registration District: Hackney
RD No: 11
Sub-RD: Central Hackney
ED: 29 SN: 173
Address: 14 Durrington Rd Clapton Park
George Harling Head 48 Married Navvie Hackney
Eliza Harling Wife 48 Married 26 none Hackney
Esther Neale Mother in Law 72 Widow (Married 53) Stoke Newington

Marriage of George Harling to Eliza Neale abt 1885 ??

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Sep Qtr 1879 Hackney 1b 815
EWENS James & NEALE Mary Ann


1901
RG13 Piece 233 Folio 158 Page 34
Civil Parish: Hackney
Eccl. parish: Hackney Wick St Mary of Eton
County: London
Registration District: Hackney
Sub-RD: South-East Hackney
ED: 28
No of Schedule: 184
Address: Prince Edward Rd
NEALE Esther Head Widow 62 Living on Own Means Stoke Newington London
EWENS Mary A Grand Dau S 21 Confectionery Work Hackney London
EWENS Eliza Grand Dau S 18 Confectionery Work Hackney London

Death for Samuel?

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

??
Marriages Sep Qtr 1891
Brown Mary Lydia P Frome 5c 714
Rawlings Richard Tovey Frome 5c 714

 

[DaveHam9]

Where is this one in 1911 if it's not the one with George & Eliza Harling?

Deaths Mar Qtr 1925 NEALE Esther A 88 Hackney 1b 617

??
Marriages Jun 1886 - Hackney 1b 712
HARLING George
LITTLEJOHN George
NEALE Clara
PLUMB Isoline Bertha

If Eliza is an error for Clara then where is the birth for Clara with mmn Watts ?


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Mar Qtr 1893 WATTS Esther 85 Camberwell 1d 517

Probate

 

[emeltee]

In 1861 the family are in Lambeth with daughters Florence and Lilian RG09/365/F146/p6

In 1871 they are in Camberwell with daughter Lilian and son Arnold RG10/721/F55/p66

1881 they are in Wandsworth with daughter Hilda and son Douglas J E RG 11/666/F41/p6

In 1891 they are in Frome Somerset with daughters Lilian and Hilda RG12/1908/F16/p1

I can find these births
Florence Esther Mar 1856 Lambeth 1d 364
Lilian Mary Mar 1859 Lambeth 1d 397
Arnold Ferrers Jun 1867 Camberwell 1d 546
John Edward Douglas Sep 1871 Camberwell 1d 573
Hilda Marguerite Jun 1874 Wandsworth 1d 654

Can't see Esther or Samuel in 1901/1911

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

From this marriage ...

Marriages Sep Qtr 1879 Hackney 1b 815
EWENS James & NEALE Mary Ann

to these census ...

1901
RG13 Piece 233 Folio 158 Page 34
Civil Parish: Hackney
Eccl. parish: Hackney Wick St Mary of Eton
County: London
Registration District: Hackney
Sub-RD: South-East Hackney
ED: 28
No of Schedule: 184
Address: Prince Edward Rd
NEALE Esther Head Widow 62 Living on Own Means Stoke Newington London
EWENS Mary A Grand Dau S 21 Confectionery Work Hackney London
EWENS Eliza Grand Dau S 18 Confectionery Work Hackney London

1911
RG14 Piece 1102
Parish: St John At Hackney
County: London
Registration District: Hackney
RD No: 11
Sub-RD: Central Hackney
ED: 29 SN: 173
Address: 14 Durrington Rd Clapton Park
George Harling Head 48 Married Navvie Hackney
Eliza Harling Wife 48 Married 26 none Hackney
Esther Neale Mother-in-Law 72 Widow (Married 53) Stoke Newington

and this death ...

Deaths Mar 1925 NEALE Esther A 88 Hackney 1b 617

... the question becomes: Is that a different Esther Neale?


Dave

 

[emeltee]

I think you might be looking at a different Esther Neale. I cannot find births for Mary Ann or Eliza with mmn Watts and why aren't they with Sam and Esther in at least one of the Censuses?

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Given this ...

NEALE Esther Sophia of 6 Avenue du Lac La Tour de Peilz Switzerland, Widow died 30 January 1915. Probate London 16 April to Richard Tovey Rawlings gentleman. Effects £1390 1s. 6d.

... then I found

Henry Watts
Age 21
Spouse's Name Esther Rawlings
Spouse's Age 21
Marriage 6 Aug 1828 St Mary Islington, Middlesex, England
Batch: M016066

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

I can't find the connection to George Harling so it looks like a different Esther Neale.

I'll remove those two census records.

Dave

 

[emeltee]

Esther Rawlings born 5 July 1807 Frome to John and Rachel. Birth noted at Babcox Lane Meeting House (Baptist), Frome
Samuel Rawlings born 20 March 1802 Frome to John and Rachel. Birth noted as above.

Richard Tovey Rawlings Jun 1859 Frome 5c 602 mmn Tovey

1861 Frome RG09/1654/F79/p25
Richard T Rawlings with parents Samuel and Sophia plus siblings

He is in Frome for all Censuses except 1911 when he is in London.

Marriage
Samuel Rawlings/Sophia Tovey Mar 1839 Islington 3 131

It looks like Richard Tovey Rawlings and Esther Sophia Neale were cousins.

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee,

Clearly the right death in Switzerland in 1915 and not Hackney in 1925.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Transcriptions arrived in the mail today.

Samuel looks to have died after 1893.

Marriage of sisters in Sydney by Acts of Council of Queen Victoria. No idea why not a church marriage. Also no idea why Sydney. Consecutive reg no.

GROOM: John HAMILTON
Status: Bachelor
Place of Birth: Gordons, Victoria
Occupation: Fireman
Age: 28
Usual Residence: Beeac, Victoria
Father: John HAMILTON
Occupation: Pensioner
Mother: Mary MORIARTY
BRIDE: Margaret McCARTHY
Status: Spinster
Place of Birth: Tipperary, Ireland
Occupation: Tailoress
Age: 30
Usual Residence: Gerald Street, Marrickville
Father: John McCARTHY
Occupation: (None Recorded)
Mother: Julia CRAWFORD
Date of Marriage: 13 Jul 1893
Place of Marriage: District Registrar's Office, Marrickville
Religion: Acts of Council 19 VICTORIA Nos 30 & 34
Witnesses: Arnold Ferres NEALE, Mary McCARTHY
Minister: John CORNISH, Registrar
Notes: Note in Margin Reads: Marriage Certificate Not Traced - W. K. 13-5-87
REF No.: 1893/4730

GROOM: Arnold Ferrers NEALE
Status: Bachelor
Place of Birth: Dulwich, Surrey, England
Occupation: Commission Agent
Age: 26
Usual Residence: Gerald Street, Marrickville
Father: Samuel NEALE
Occupation: Pensioner
Mother: Esther WATTS
BRIDE: Mary Josephine McCARTHY
Status: Spinster
Place of Birth: Melbourne, Victoria
Occupation: Tailoress
Age: 24
Usual Residence: Gerald Street, Marrickville
Father: John McCARTHY
Occupation: (None Recorded)
Mother: Julia CRAWFORD
Date of Marriage: 13 July 1893
Place of Marriage: District Registrar's Office, Marrickville
Religion: Acts of Council 19 VICTORIA Nos 30 & 34
Witnesses: John HAMILTON, Margaret HAMILTON
Minister: John CORNISH, Registrar
Notes:
Ref No.: 1893/4731

 

[DaveHam9]

Arnold not yet found in 1881.

Unassisted to Victoria
NEALE ARNOLD Age 18 MAY 1885 'KEPLER' B 450 001

Dave