Sarah Jane Watts nee Dally

[Taykay]

Can any one help? I have a Sarah Jane Dally b. 1830 Pilton or Shepton Mallet who was married to Joseph Watts b. abt. 1823 Oakhill Somerset. They were married on the 6 Mar 1850 Bristol, Gloucestershire.
By 1854 Sarah is convicted on the 9 Jan 1884 and imprisoned, do not now how long.
Then on the 3 Dec 1855 she is once again convicted this time of larceny and sentenced to transpotation.

I have not been able to find proof of this and do not know if the Sarah that was convicted is the same Sarah that was married to Joseph Watts.

Can any one help?
Thanks

 

[horse]

This may be Joseph in 1861, notably no Sarah.

1861
Civil Parish: Wells St Cuthbert In
County: Somerset
RD: Wells
Sub-RD: Wells
ED: 15; Piece: 1664; Folio: 69; Page: 2

Major Creedy 39
Francies Creedy 48
Edwd Tom Creedy 15
Mary Emma Creedy 7
Major Creedy 4
Mary Ann Dallimore 17
Joseph Watts 38 lodger. mar. [b. Oakhill. Drover]

Geoff

 

[horse]

It looks as though she sometimes goes as Jane Sarah..

1841
Civil Parish: Pilton
Hundred: Whitstone
County: Somerset
RD: Shepton Mallet
Sub-RD: Shepton Mallet
ED: 12 Piece: 963; Book: 9; Folio: 8; Page: 14

Ben Dally 50
Mary Dally 44
Ann Dally 19
Elizh Dally 17
Ben Dally 15
Charles Sidney Dally 13
Jane Sarah Dally 11 [b. Pilton]
John Dally 9
James Dally 7
Peter Dally 4
Same Dally 1

Geoff

Edit:
Marriages Q1 1850
Bees Emma
Dalby Jane
Dalley Jane
Dash Harry
Dash Mary
Hull Eliza
Langford Thomas
Martin Thomas
Price Mary
Watts Joseph
Bristol
11 162

 

[DaveHam9]

This comprehensive index of all convicts transported to Tasmania and those who were convicted (through the convict system) in the colony was created by indexing all original records we hold from the beginning of transportation in 1804 until 1853 when transportation ceased.

Transportation to NSW effectively ceased in 1842 but between 1846-50 exiles were transported. Exiles had served part of their sentence in a penitentiary in Britain and were granted a conditional pardon or ticket of leave on arrival in the Colony.

Transported where?

 

[horse]

Yep, I thought 'transportation' was stopped between 1848-1855, as Dave says there were some exceptions such as exiles, if they had served some of their sentence.

I can't see any link between Sarah and Jane Sarah in this instance, if she is not around from 1861 it is more likely she has died or moved on!

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Charles Sidney aged 13 in 1841 with family.

Convict Transportation Registers 1787-1870 Transcription
SIDNEY DALLY
Year Of Arrival: 1844
Ship name: Agincourt
Where Convicted: Somerset, Taunton
When Convicted: 1844
Sentence: Life
Record set: Convict Transportation Registers 1787-1870

Convict Details Dally, Sydney
Convict No: 16954
Voyage Ship: Agincourt
Voyage No: 366
Arrival Date: 09 Nov 1844
Departure Date: 09 Jul 1844
Departure Port: Woolwich
Conduct Record: CON33/1/83
Muster Roll:
Appropriation List:
Other Records:
Indent: CON17/1/2 p68

The Ident record will list parents and siblings but we already know them.

Sister Sarah is no doubt the one who was also convicted but did she marry Joseph?

Her convictions are under what name?

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

There were a few possibilities even in the 1830's of a Sarah Watt's also... I think there is an issue with her name in the first instance. Is she Sarah Jane or Jane Sarah?. I think that from the poster's perspective we need a definite name and details to work from..

The one interesting point is that she is missing in 1861, husband Joseph is on his own but married. He is a drover, so could be working away from home

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

You can't see a 1854 Somerset criminal conviction that fits?

Dave

 

[horse]

Hello Geoff,

You can't see a 1854 Somerset criminal conviction that fits?

Dave

It would be too late anyway unless she was doing concurrent sentences, i.e she had served part of her sentence.

The poster may be referring to the following...

Sarah Watts
Date of Trial: 9 Jan 1854
Trial Year: 1854
Location of Trial: Somerset, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

Sarah Watts
Date of Trial: 3 Dec 1855
Trial Year: 1855
Location of Trial: Somerset, England
Sentence: Transportation

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

That 'Transportation' bit is rather curious.

Western Australia.

In all, around 9,720 British convicts were sent directly to the colony in 43 ships between 1850-1868. Thirty seven of the voyages carried large numbers of prisoners from England, although one voyage actually collected her load in Bermuda. The remaining six ships brought smaller cargoes of military prisoners from amongst the ranks of British troops serving in India.

So under the name of Watts but how do we know that is a married name and not her maiden name or an alias?

Dave

 

[Taykay]

Geoff that is the criminal record I found for Sarah, I thought it might be correct since two of her brothers also committed crimes. Sydney Charles and Benjamin Dally. I thought maybe she followed their lead?
I have been looking for her name on the convict list for Tasmania and Australia but have yet find anything.
I did come across something in the index for women convicts of the National Archives but lost it!

Joseph was away from home and boarding for the night at Wells in 1861, probably was due to his work.

I have tried her name in different ways, Jane Sarah Dally, Jane Sarah Watts, Sarah Jane Dally or Watts, Jane Dally or Watts and Sarah Dally or Watts but nothing so far. For now it is if she simple disappeared.

Cannot find any death info either!.

Karen

 

[DaveHam9]

How do we know Watts is a married name?

If the Sarah Watts convicted in Somerset was transported to WA then those details have not yet been put on-line. I think only a few of the 43 ships have so far been transcribed.

 

[Taykay]

This is what I have for Joseph Watts marriage

Name: Joseph Watts
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Jane Dally

Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: St. Mary'S Redcliffe, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father's Name: Joseph Watts

Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Benjamin Dally

Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M17254-4

System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1595695

Reference ID: 2:3W1451N

and

Name: Jane Dally
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Benjamin Dally
Spouse's Name: Joseph Watts
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Watts
Marriage Date: 6 Mar 1850
Marriage Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England


As you can see in both cases it is Jane Dally not Jane Sarah Dally so I might consider that Jane Sarah Dally might of not married Joseph Watts.