Scott - Donegal

[leslee]

Any help would be appreciated.

Richard Scott b. abt 1847 Ireland
married : Annie McGown/McGowan Approx May 1866, Mt Charlres, Inver, Donegal
Richard Scott d. 25 December 1909, at 268 Main Street Bellshill, Scotland son of Richard Scott & Susan Crow.

I have not been able to find the birth of Richard, or the marriage of Annie & Richard in Donegal nor a birth or Death for Annie and have had no luck locating Richards parents either.

The marriage details have come from Richard & Annie children birth certificates and Richards parents names have come from Richards death certificate , son was the informant.

 

[DaveHam9]

There is this one but can't find a match for an Ann/Anne/Annie.

Name RICHARD SCOTT
Date of Event 1864
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Donegal
Returns Year 1864
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 17
Returns Page No 46

 

[leslee]

After some more digging and scratching around I think I've dug myself into another hole redf)

Located a death for a Honor Scott widow of Robert Scott, coal miner in 1923, age 84 yrs....
the witness son Richard Scott.

place of death is 8 John Street, Bellshill, Lanark

Richard Scott jnr, is living at this same address in 1912 when he married a Bridget Sands, but his age is listed as 36 yrs (dob 1876) The birth record I have is 1873.

So my problem now is has Annie become Honor McGown and husband Richard snr has become a Robert ...

Then Ive got the birth year difference for their son Richard jnr 1873-1876,

Family notes that I have kept, say that Annie definitely should be an Annie McGowan and same goes for Richard Scott snr......
and that their son Richard jnr never married

 

[DaveHam9]

Large number of deaths in Lanark for an Annie Scott.

Looking at deaths in Bellshill for McGown/McGowan and Scott there are several but all too young if age is correct.

Dave

 

[leslee]

Another son of McGown & Scott (Joseph)

Marriage doc for 1901, Bothwell, Lanark
Joseph marries Annie Bell

has parents listed as Robert Scott coal miner & Annie Scott ( McGown)

Both parents would have been alive when Joseph got married.

So something definitely going on with my Annie aka Honor McGown and Richard aka Robert Scott snr

Also

Just checked the signature of informant ( Richard jnr.) on death docs for the Honor Scott 1923 I just found and Richard Scott in 1909, exactly the same

 

[Ellie7]

Have you got daug.Catherine Scott 18 Nov 1869 ANDERSTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND Father's Name Richard Scott Mother's Name Annie Mcgown .

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

SCOTT
CATHERINE
0
MCGOWN
1870 644/8 825
Anderston

I would try for a POOR RELIEF record at

http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/libra...lections/poor-law-archives/Pages/default.aspx


Edit -also
SCOTT
MARY ANN
Age 3
MCGOWN
1870
644/8 830
Anderston

 

[Ellie7]

Catherine Scott
Gender Female
Birth Date 18 Nov 1869
Birthplace ANDERSTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name Richard Scott
Mother's Name Annie Mcgown

Mary Ann Scott
Gender Female
Birth Date 30 Apr 1867
Birthplace ANDERSTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name Richard Scott
Mother's Name Annie Mcgown

Richard Scott
Gender Male
Birth Date 13 Dec 1873
Birthplace ANDERSTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name Richard Scott
Mother's Name Annie Mcgown

They now send poor relief online .

 

[Ellie7]

I would check this one out

SCOTT
RICHARD
Age 62
death 1909
625/3 246
Bellshill

Edit- 1911 Census

SCOTT
RICHARD
1911
M
Age 36
625/3 15/ 1
Bellshill Lanark
SCOTT
RICHARD 1911
F 76
625/3 7/ 9
Bellshill
Lanark

 

[leslee]

Hello Ellie,

Yes I have got all the children + Joseph b 1877 and a William b 1871 birth docs and the 1909 death doc of Richard aka Robert snr. Each childs record has were parents were married in Inver, Mt Charles, Donegal, May 1866, the actual day is between the 14 & 17th....


Thanks for the info on poor relief, not thought of that possibility, but if the doc that I have on Annie aka Honor is the correct person which I'm thinking it is then she would have been a widow for 14 years, on her own and no income.....

Just confusing me a little with this name variation I'm getting.....

Also thank you for the 1911 Census on Richard jnr. Looks as if he is on his own, and this would have been just before the marriage I found with him and Bridget Sands in 1912.

 

[Ellie7]

I don't see Honor fitting into your family. Scott surname comes from the Southern Clan Scott ,so is prevalent in Scotland. Was she still living when husband Richard died 1909.

The Glasgow Poor relief records are very good. I have used them myself for my Armagh side ,and found he had lived in Wales before moving to Scotland,and told me where his father was now living in Ireland that was in 1871 .

ellie

 

[leslee]

I don't see Honor fitting into your family. Scott surname comes from the Southern Clan Scott ,so is prevalent in Scotland. Was she still living when husband Richard died 1909.

The Glasgow Poor relief records are very good. I have used them myself for my Armagh side ,and found he had lived in Wales before moving to Scotland,and told me where his father was now living in Ireland that was in 1871 .

ellie

Hi Ellie,

Thank you for your help....

Answer to your question Was she still living when husband Richard died in 1909
I think she is as it has on the doc "Richard Scott , General Labourer, married to Annie McGowan.... Informant Richard Scott son

I have emailed them asking for a quote to do a search for me regarding the Poor Relief, thanks again for that referral.... fingers crossed

Also just got a 1901 census of the family living in Bellshill.
Address Black Land, Main Street.
Richard 58, Labourer, Born Ireland
Annie 60, Labourers wife, Born Ireland
Richard 27, Coal Miner,hewer, Born Lanarkshire Carnbroe or Larnbroe
Joseph 35, Coal Miner, Hewer born ....As above
+a border Philip Connelly,Charlotte ?? relative & Kate relative
625/3 12/27

 

[leslee]

The 1911 Census you listed, just got that...

Has them living John street, Bellshill
Richard a line through name and Annie's name entered age 76, born Ireland
Richard 36, son, born Lanark Glasgow

 

[leslee]

The 1911 Census you listed, just got that...

Has them living John street, Bellshill
Richard a line through name and Annie's name entered age 76,w born Ireland
Richard 36, son, born Lanark Glasgow
625/3 7/9

Ooops don't know what happened here ended up with 2 posts instead of an edit..... added a w widow

 

[leslee]

Richard Scott & Annie McGown/McGowan, both born Ireland
married between 14-17 May 1866, Inver, Mount Charles, Donegal

children
Mary Ann b 1867 – 98 Clyde st, Glasgow
Catherine b 1869 - 34 Bishop st, Glasgow
William b 1871 – 42 Clyde st, Glasgow
Richard b 1873 – 42 Clyde St, Glagow
Joseph b 1877 – 56 McAlpine St, Glasgow

1881 Census – 33 Clyde st, Glasgow – Richard Snr., Annie, William, Richard, Joseph

1891 Census - E&G Rd Black Land, Bellshill, Annie, Richard jnr., Joseph,+ boarder ( No Richard Snr.)

1901 Census – Black Land Main St, Bellshill, Richard Snr., Annie, Richard, Joseph, + Boarder & 2 relatives.

1901 Marriage - Joseph, age 23, coal miner of Black Land Main St, Bellshill. m.Annie Bell age19,
(father Robert, mother Annie McGowan)

1909 Death - Richard Snr. age 62, of 268 Main St, Bellshill, married to Annie McGowan, (parents Richard Scott Handloom weaver & Susan Crow (deceased)) witness Richard son

1911 Census – 8 John St, Bellshill, Annie (w) Richard jnr.,

1912 Marriage – Richard jnr.;, age 36, coal miner of 8 John St, Bellshill. m Bridget Sands age 37,
( father Richard deceased, mother Annie McGowan living)

1923 Death – Honor Scott, age 84, widow of Robert Scott, coal miner, 8 John St, Bellshill, Daughter of Thedy McGowan, farmer & Kitty Dillon(deceased) witness Richard Scott son

1962 Death - Joseph age 84, of 37 Hamilton Rd, Bellshill, widow of Annie Bell, ( parents Richard Scott & Annie McGowan (deceased)) witness William Son

1973 Death Richard, died at the Cleland Hospital, 99years old.


It is looking like this Honor Scott is my Annie Scott nee McGowan.
and the 3 oldest children, Mary Ann b 1867,Catherine b 1869 &
William b 1871 never moved to Bellshill with the family.

 

[leslee]

The Glasgow Poor relief records are very good. I have used them myself for my Armagh side ,and found he had lived in Wales before moving to Scotland,and told me where his father was now living in Ireland that was in 1871 .

ellie

Ellie, thanks for this referral just got a reply back....

Thank you for your email of 6 October. Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to you. Our email system has been experiencing problems over the last few weeks, which has resulted in a delay in sending and receiving emails.

I have searched the archive index to Glasgow poor relief applications for both Annie/Honor Scott (and variations of all names) and Richard/Robert Scott using the details you helpfully provided. Unfortunately I have been unable to find any entries that tie in with these details.

I am sorry that I could not have been of more help on this occasion, and wish you well in your research.

All the best,

Michael

Sadly nothing found, but that was so good of them to do some research on my behalf....