Second class masters certificate

[Vatersay]

Sorry for posting again so soon.
Wondering if anybody can help, something I don't understand here. I would value your opinions. I am looking at a board of trade enquiry held in late 1853 into the sinking of the Annie Jane.
The Government emigration agent is being examined.
Q. The master of this vessel was a certificated master under the old board of second class qualifications only.
A Yes, he passed under the old board.
Q. But it was a second class and very inferior examination
A. Yes

I have found the masters certificate of service of Captain William Mason No 51385 it says, Has been employed in the capacities of (first word looks like) upp mate and master 32 years in the British merchant service in the foreign trades. 11 of August 185/ which I assume is meant to be a one.

So did Captain William Mason have some kind of substandard ticket? And was he a master before this certificate was issued or had he been a certificated master only two years?

Thanks for reading
Allan

Ps The inquiry report was issued on 30th December 1853.

 

[horse]

This looks as though it refers to the point you are making...

Full link HERE

Excerpt..

 

[horse]

His Master's Cert. of Service looks OK.

If there were issues with his alleged substandard cert. surely responsibility lies with those who allowed him to sail, unless he had a responsibility to point out his cert. was allegedly substandard.

Though, the 2nd para. of the the thumbnail in post #2 suggests he could sail in his current capacity provided he had made an application to the Registrar-General of Seaman. If application wasn't made then I would assume questions about his cert. would be raised.

Geoff

 

[Ellie7]

Master Tickets had really just started ,before that they had no registered qualifications. My Adamson line were all Mariners so I have looked into it before.

http://imgur.com/X3kapou

Edit-1839 GAZETEER SELBY
Shipowners &c - marked * are Master Mariners,

•Adamson Thos. Ogt *( b 1764)

Ellie

 

[Vatersay]

Thanks to you both for that

Two very remarkable documents that explained a lot, I will be reading for quite a while.

You have both answered another question as well my next one was going to be what is a register ticket?
Thomas Markham Second mate being examined ( seven years at sea )
Q, Did you do the duty of second mate?
A, Yes, but I had no certificate, I only got the register ticket down from London the day before we sailed.
Q, Have you got a certificate?
A, No
Q, You lost it?
A, I never had one

Later on
Q, Did you see any of the cargo of the Annie Jane stowed?
A, No, very little of it I had to go running about for a register ticket.
Q, Why did you not get one?
A, I did get one
Q, It did not take you long to get a register ticket?
A, It took me ten days to get one from London.
Q, Who did you go to?
A, I went to Mr Berry
Q, Is he the collector of customs?
A, I don't know what he is, In the seaman's register office in Liverpool. He wrote up to London to get a copy of the indentures to get them cancelled and it was a week before they came down.
Q, Had you a register ticket before?
A, Yes, along with the indentures
Q. What became of that?
A, I had the indenture cancelled and they had to send to London for a copy of the indentures
Q, Where was your register ticket you had before?
A, I had none but the one with the indentures
Q, You sent it with the indentures
A, Yes
Captain Beechey " You should have kept it "


So I take it the indenture would have tied you to a ship as a sort of apprentice?

Thanks again Allan

 

[horse]

A little more light reading

HERE

Geoff

 

[Vatersay]

Thanks for that

Reading last night I think I got to grip with the subject.
Did not know that such a document existed.

Regards Allan