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Should be easy!


dovercourt but born Enfield
Got stuck on this one.
Oliver John Brown - born 1825 St Martin in the Fields
Found on the 1861 and 1871 census where he is a police Officer but not on the 1851 or 1841.
He married in 1849 to a Ann Amelia Palmer - have the cert! where his father is shown as Timothy Brown - Artist not found any reference to him in any census!
Tried all I can think of apart from miss spellings!

Any ideas!

Hi Peter,

The 1871 census has Olivers mother with him who is Elizabeth Packer, going back to the 1861 Elizabeth is with Oliver and family her surname name transcribed as Pacher.


Class RG10
Piece 400
Folio 42
Page 29


Class RG9
Piece 201
Folio 31
Page 6

1851 has Elizabeth with husband William and son George.
Hi Peter,

A possibility for Oliver in 1841.

Civil parish St. Luke
RD St. Luke
Sub RD City Road

Galway Street

Oliver Brown age 16 born in county

Class H0107
Piece 666
Book 6
Folio 41
Page 28
I'm more confused now, where did the Packer side come from!
From Johns marriage 19 Nov 1849 his wife is Ann Amelia Palmer her father a John Charles Palmer.
Olivers father is a Timothy Brown.
I suppose his mother could have remarried!
Just found a marriage elizabeth Brown to William Packer in 1838.
Getting more confusing!

Hi Peter,

I'm not convinced about the 1838 marriage. Elizabeth is classed as spinster and Williams occupation is victualler whereas his occupation in 1851 is master paper hanger
Hi Peter,

Perhaps the marriage is the one. 1841 has Williams occupation as traveller.

Civil parish St. Mary Newington
RD St. Mary Newington
Sub RD St. Peters

Margaret Chater age 65 ind
Mary Leach age 70 ind
William Packer age 25 occ traveller not born in county
Elizabeth Packer age 30 not born in county
George Packer age 1 born in county

Class H0107
Piece 1064
Book 4
Folio 38
Page 15
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Hi Peter.

Timothys and Elizabeths marriage.

31 Jul 1823 - St. Boltolph without Aldgate - City of London

Timothy Brown - batchelor - of this parish
Elizabeth Bassett (as transcribed) - spinster - of this parish

Witnesses - John Chater/Margaret Chater
Found Oliver in the 1851 census - as a Police Constable along with 2 others in the same street(Safety in numbers I guess)
Strange thing is he doesnt show up on Ancestry but his son does(thats how I found it)

Mind you all this looking and no further information!

Hi Peter,

Still looking. I have'nt got any further. Was hoping that the Chater family family may have held a clue but have drawn a blank on them as well.
Hi Julie
Had a look for some more Brown,s and found something I do not quite understand!
When I first looked at the Timothy Brown baptism I thought it was saying that the mother Jane Taylor was deceased but now I think it must mean her maiden name!
See the preceeding record nad following records

If not the case then she had children when she was dead!!

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Hi Peter,

John Chaters 1st wife may have been Jane surname unknow. There are a few children baptised to this couple 179's in Denmark Hill and one Marylebone.