Simeon & Elizabeth BALL

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Mar Qtr 1889
BALL Simeon 72 Wigan 8c 95

Deaths Sep Qtr 1886
Ball Elizabeth 71 Warrington 8c 86


Looking for any burial record thanks.

Dave

 

[horse]

Simeon Ball
Birth Year: abt 1817
Death Age: 72
Burial Date: 6 Feb 1889
Burial Parish: Golborne, St Thomas, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Golborne

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

1851
HO107 Piece 2204 Folio 72 Page 14
Civil Parish: Golbourne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Leigh
Address: Edge Green, Golbourne
William Ball Head 64 Farmer of 9 acres Abram, Lancashire
Margaret Ball Wife 61 Farmer's wife Leigh, Lancashire
Hiram Ball 28 Farmer's son
Isreal Ball 24 Farmer's son
Amelia Ball 22 Farmer's daughter
James Ball 20 Farmer's son
Joseph Dickson 17 servant ?? in the coal pit

Deaths Sep 1857 ** Not in NBI **
Ball Margaret Leigh 8c 104

4x possible deaths for William 1851-1861

Any of those 4 in Golborne?

 

[horse]

William Ball
Birth Year: abt 1787
Death Age: 67
Burial Date: 28 Jan 1854
Burial Parish: Golborne, St Thomas, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Golborne

Geoff

 

[horse]

If Elizabeth was his wife, it must have been a 2nd mar. for him..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Yes, 2nd.

Deaths Dec 1860
Ball Nanny Leigh 8c 105

Nanny died 27 Nov 1860 in the presence of Simeon Ball coal miner. Registered Lowton.

14 Children - Margaret, Jane, John, Amelia, Sarah, Hiram, Mary, Israel, Elizabeth, Ann, Betsy, Maria, Simeon, William

William Ball son of Simeon and Ann - born and baptised 25 November 1860 Golborne.

Williams death is Aged 0 Lowton Wigan and Leigh LOW/8/429 1860 and
Nanny Ball Aged 38 " " LOW/8/428 1860

 

[DaveHam9]

Baptism: 21 Dec 1817 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Simeon Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 29 Nov
Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: Jno. Pennington, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 45, Entry 354
Source: Original Parish Register


The assumption is that parents are:

Marriage: 26 Jan 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
William Ball - Weaver, Leigh Parish
Margaret Branwood - (X), Spinster, Leigh Parish
Witness: James Lees; Timothy Taylor
Married by Banns by: Danl. Birkett Vicar
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1820, Page 167, Entry 501
Source: LDS Film 559188

William BALL & Margaret BRANWOOD
26 January 1817 Leigh, Lancashire, England
Batch: M008572

1841
HO107 Piece 524 Book/Folio 7/42 Page 32
Civil Parish: Winwick
Hundred: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Warrington
Sub-RD: Newton
ED: 2
Address: Edge Green Golbourne
William Ball 55 Collier
Margaret Ball 50
John Ball 25 Collier
Hiram Ball 20 Collier
Maria Ball 15
Israel Ball 15 Collier
Amelia Ball 12
James Ball 15
All born in the county

That 1841 can't be correct with Warrington. Or if that is correct the parish is wrong.

1851
HO107 Piece 2204 Folio 75 Page 21
Civil Parish: Golborne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Leigh
Sub-RD: Lowton
Address: 70 Edge Green
BALL Simion Head 31 Miner Coal Golborne Lancashire
BALL Nancy Wife 29 Lowton Lancashire
BALL Jane dau 11 Lowton Lancashire
BALL Amelia dau 8 Golborne Lancashire
BALL John son 6 Golborne Lancashire
BALL Sarah dau 5 Golborne Lancashire
BALL Mary dau 1 Golborne Lancashire

 

[horse]

Got to doubt the mar. Occ is wrong

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes.

Looking at the children of Simeon and the children of William & Margaret - both have:

Hiram, Israel, Amelia, Maria, John.

It could be the right family in 1841 with an error in parish or RD but not the right marriage then.

Baptism: 22 Oct 1820 St Luke Lowton, Lancashire, England
Hiram Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 21 Sep Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner

Baptism: 15 Dec 1822 St Luke Lowton, Lancashire, England
Maria Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 17 Nov Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner

Baptism: 29 May 1825 St Luke Lowton, Lancashire, England
Israel Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 29 Apr Abode: Golborne
Occupation: Miner

 

[horse]

Unless the occ. at mar. is an error..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Unless the occ. at mar. is an error..

Geoff

And that as well.

I can't see another marriage that fits.

Marriage 26 Jan 1817 and bap for Simeon 21 Dec 1817.

 

[horse]

That 1841 can't be correct with Warrington. Or if that is correct the parish is wrong.

Golborne and Newton in Makerfield are both in Warrington RD..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Warrington is correct then since they live in Golborne.

So parish is more correctly Winwick with Hume.

1851
HO107 Piece 2204 Folio 72 Page 14
Civil Parish: Golbourne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Leigh
Address: Edge Green, Golbourne
William Ball Head 64 Farmer of 9 acres Abram, Lancashire
Margaret Ball Wife 61 Farmer's wife Leigh, Lancashire
Hiram Ball 28 Farmer's son
Isreal Ball 24 Farmer's son
Amelia Ball 22 Farmer's daughter
James Ball 20 Farmer's son
Joseph Dickson 17 servant ?? in the coal pit

 

[horse]

Genuki

"In 1835 the parish of Winwick contained the townships of Winwick with Hulme, Houghton, Middleton and Arbury, Southworth with Croft, Culcheth, Newton in Makerfield, Haydock, Ashton in Makerfield, Golborne, Lowton and Kenyon."

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I also looked at a different part of genuki and it does not entirely agree with itself.

Warrington RD:

Parish
Winwick Lancashire 1933 - 1934

Winwick with Hulme Lancashire 1837 - 1933

 

[horse]

Yeah, would have to agree.. More muddled than complex :biggrin:

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Golborne moves out of Winwick parish to be its own parish in Leigh RD.

 

[horse]

Golborne moves out of Winwick parish to be its own parish in Leigh RD.

Yep, in 1845..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

We were doing 'S' for Betty SUTTON not 'B' for BALL. :biggrin:

Catch you later Geoff.

After all the rain we had the garden is in a real mess so I'll be spending all day tomorrow in it.

Dave

 

[horse]

Ok, Dave... Speak later

Geoff